New York against the NRA

[Lucky1]

If the NRA leadership is screwing around and doing greedy, illegal and unethical stuff, I want them to be held accountable.
I am a patron member of the organization. I know what they have done to help us keep our 2A rights. Our gun laws would be like Canada or some of the European countries with out the NRA.

Maybe. Maybe not. Those other countries don't have the right to bare arms baked into their foundational documents.

When I was about 13, I wanted to get my first rifle. Neither of my parents were into hunting or firearms, but they weren't against it either so they gave me the condition that I had to take a firearms safety course first. So my buddy and I signed up and took the course at the Gig Harbor Sportsmen's Club. I believe the course was dual-sponsored by the club itself and the NRA.

I still look back fondly on that 2-day class. The classroom portion was a little like the food-handlers permit class that I'd bet at least half of us took at one point. You'd have to be dangerously stupid to fail it. But they grilled up burgers for everyone and introduced me to a world that I love to this day. I do believe that the NRA was the one who donated the ammo to the class, where I learned that I had a pretty decent talent at trap shooting.

But as the years went on, it seemed that the NRA was less and less interested in actual education and training, and WAY more interested in creating fear in their members that all our gun rights would be lost if we didn't send ONE MORE donation to the NRA. Like I mentioned up-thread, its the same model that the televangelists and the prosperity-gospel charlatans preach: Riches are SO close, just send ONE MORE donation of 40 dollars. If you don't, everything is lost.

Its been an obvious scam for years. I'm not even going to get into the Russians (spits on ground) funneling money through it. When guys like Hickok45, who have 5.5 million youtube subscribers walk away, that's a pretty clear sign. We're the ones with the most to lose. If anything, WE should be the one's calling for Wayne LaPierre's head on a stick.

Maybe the NRA can be salvaged, maybe it can't. But either way, there is a gap that will be left that needs to be filled.

Maybe we can do it.

Good story. Are you doing anything to help us hang on to our rights?
I donate to NRA, GOA, and volunteer at the gun range. I also work to elect pro gun people to serve us in government. I donate to their campaigns. I help people who aren’t registered to vote, get registered and follow up to encourage them to vote. I call the NRA and complain when they endorse feckless politicians like Dean Takko who supposedly has a good record of supporting gun owners, but always votes with the Dems if they need his vote. They let him vote for gun rights when they don’t need his vote so he can pretend to be for us and get re-elected.

[Alchase]

If the NRA leadership is screwing around and doing greedy, illegal and unethical stuff, I want them to be held accountable.
I am a patron member of the organization. I know what they have done to help us keep our 2A rights. Our gun laws would be like Canada or some of the European countries with out the NRA.

Maybe. Maybe not. Those other countries don't have the right to bare arms baked into their foundational documents.

When I was about 13, I wanted to get my first rifle. Neither of my parents were into hunting or firearms, but they weren't against it either so they gave me the condition that I had to take a firearms safety course first. So my buddy and I signed up and took the course at the Gig Harbor Sportsmen's Club. I believe the course was dual-sponsored by the club itself and the NRA.

I still look back fondly on that 2-day class. The classroom portion was a little like the food-handlers permit class that I'd bet at least half of us took at one point. You'd have to be dangerously stupid to fail it. But they grilled up burgers for everyone and introduced me to a world that I love to this day. I do believe that the NRA was the one who donated the ammo to the class, where I learned that I had a pretty decent talent at trap shooting.

But as the years went on, it seemed that the NRA was less and less interested in actual education and training, and WAY more interested in creating fear in their members that all our gun rights would be lost if we didn't send ONE MORE donation to the NRA. Like I mentioned up-thread, its the same model that the televangelists and the prosperity-gospel charlatans preach: Riches are SO close, just send ONE MORE donation of 40 dollars. If you don't, everything is lost.

Its been an obvious scam for years. I'm not even going to get into the Russians (spits on ground) funneling money through it. When guys like Hickok45, who have 5.5 million youtube subscribers walk away, that's a pretty clear sign. We're the ones with the most to lose. If anything, WE should be the one's calling for Wayne LaPierre's head on a stick.

Maybe the NRA can be salvaged, maybe it can't. But either way, there is a gap that will be left that needs to be filled.

Maybe we can do it.

I hear what you are saying, I use to be a die hard NRA member. Then after years of the over the top sales pitches to give more and more, the almost daily junk mail, and the phone calls. I had enough and left them.
I can’t think of any other organization that has done more for the gun owners, I do not agree with some of there tactics, and there have been many times I have thought “where is the NRA” when they should have been front and center on many issues.
I have no idea if the  NRA talking heads have been squeezing the lemon.
But today listening to that liberal hack AG talk, just turned my stomach.
This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.

After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.

[shotguunar]

I to got tired of the countless mail and phone calls. But remember one thing you have to look at is who the gun owners are up against bunch of power hungry gun grabbing liberal control freaks. And by the way this not Waynes fight or the NRAs fight this is our fight if there is a time this is it we all have to stick together and fight these people 

[TooTallMike]

Support FPC instead of the NRA.
(Firearms Policy Coalition)
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/
They've done more for gun rights than the NRA
Nuff said.

[spookgus]

Is it common for a state Attorney General to file civil suits without filing criminal charges?

[Knocker of rocks]

Is it common for a state Attorney General to file civil suits without filing criminal charges?

Yes. But in this case criminal charges may certainly follow

[Fl0und3rz]

Some more backstory to the stunt.

On Thursday, New York's Attorney General, Letitia James, proudly announced that she had filed suit to "dissolve" the National Rifle Association. She also sued four NRA executives for damages. The basis for the suit is her claim that the NRA has been mismanaging donor funds. She was able to attack the NRA because the organization is registered in New York, where it was first chartered in 1871.

James got a lot of attention with her announcement, but it might not have been what she was expecting. Forward-looking Democrats demanded to know whether she was trying to help get Trump elected. Meanwhile, the NRA, which has been gaining 1,000 new members a day since the "defund the police" movement began, immediately filed a lawsuit against James, accusing her of defamation and seeking to squelch the organization's right to free speech...

It's no secret why James is going after the NRA. First, it was one of her campaign promises when she ran for Attorney General. In an October 2018 pre-election interview with Ebony magazine she attacked the NRA -- which protects Americans' Second Amendment rights -- as a "terrorist organization" (emphasis added).

The reason behind the lawsuit's timing is obvious. The NRA, recognizing the threat a hard-left Biden administration poses to the Second Amendment, vowed to spend tens of millions of dollars to help Trump win battleground states. With his usual pithy flair, Trump spelled out what would happen if James's suit were to succeed:

Just like Radical Left New York is trying to destroy the NRA, if Biden becomes President your GREAT SECOND AMENDMENT doesn't have a chance. Your guns will be taken away, immediately and without notice. No police, no guns!...

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/is_new_yorks_ag_going_to_be_the_biggest_nra_fundraiser_ever.html

First of all, I don't understand why this is a lawsuit. If Wayne LaPierre and whoever else is named in the suit committed crimes, why didn't she hand down indictments? Makes zero sense from that aspect, but of course this is just a not-so-cunning stunt. I'll say this for Joe Biden; at least he has an excuse - dementia. In any case the media is in full circle-the-wagons mode around him in covering up what they can and excusing away what they can't. But the stupidity in this move by Letitia James is positively stunning. She calls a press conference to make some sort of major announcement. The propagandists dutifully showed up, fully expecting James to perhaps announce some sort of charges or malfeasance against President Trump, since she and the latest iteration of Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance have been going after him for his tax returns and business dealings, to date, unsuccessfully. But with Americans arming themselves to the teeth in record numbers since the phony pandemic panic and Democrat-fueled and supported rioting and mayhem, this glittering jewel of stupid confirms as truth to a vast MSM audience that she's going to help bring about what Trump has been warning about for months, which that same MSM has been poo-pooing as fear-mongering for equally as long.

However many millions of dollars she thought she could prevent the NRA from spending in swing states, she just provided at least an equal amount in an in-kind donation with that press conference.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/389503.php

NRA isn't going anywhere, except to reincorporate in a less politically hostile state.  As for La Pierre and Co., if they broke laws, then they should face consequences, and they probably should at least for self-dealing and breach of fiduciary duties.

But the suit is likely just pandering to lefties desperate for a win, any win, and is probably a non-starter, which, in today's politically-charged climate, means it will likely have to go to an appeals court to get smacked down.



I still support tge NRA and it's missions of 2A protection and education.  They need to clean up their act and refocus on the mission.  This sort of stuff happens fairly routinely in large prosperous organizations, I suspect.

[bearpaw]

Judge Pirro rips 'ridiculous' anti-NRA lawsuit: 'Trump-hating' New York AG following through on promise
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nra-lawsuit-new-york-judge-pirro

[buckfvr]

She is hating who shes told to hate and attacking who shes told to attack.  We the people are still half the nation and are grossly under estimated.

[magnanimous_j]

This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.

After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.

So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?

If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.

[bearpaw]

This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.

After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.

So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?

If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.

Have any of the accusations been proven to be true? I'm a strong supporter of the NRA and will continue to support them. When and if the accusations are proven to be true then I would expect actions within the org, until proven true, it looks like nothing more than a political stunt to me! The liberals have used false evidence to destroy Flynn and other supporters of Trump, tried to remove Trump from office with lies, why should anyone believe anything a democrat says? Lying democrat politicians are one of the biggest enemies of this country remaining free!

[Special T]

This is so blatantly political it is sickening. The sad part with today’s political climate, and lack of media as a non-bias “check and balance”, instead they are the flag bearers of the PC liberals. I do not have much hope in the integrity of the legal system.

After my wife and watched this, I told her this my be what brings me back to the NRA!
I am willing to bet there are millions that feel the same way.

So you heavily suspect that the NRA is a fleecing scam and the leadership steals the money to enrich themselves, but you are considering giving more of YOUR money to them anyway because it will "stick it to the libs"?

If someone got frozen in 1990 and just thawed out and I had to explain Trump supporters to them. This is the exact example I would use.

I took it to mean something different. I was a member in the past. IF this prompts a shake up at the NRA I may join again. Lots of big organizations need a shake up from time to time, and the NRA is past due for one. My hope is that regardless of what happens the NRA will reorganize and focus under new leadership and become stronger and more effective than ever.

[konradcountry]

Well well well.

I do recall being SCOLDED here on hunt wa for not supporting the NRA and pointing out that LaPierre was taking a 1.3 million dollar salary and using NRA funds for high end hotels while telling us the organization was broke.

I was accused of not supporting gun rights when none of you know how active I am.

Now it looks much worse than his 1.3 million dollar salary.

Him and his friends were setting up fake contracts which is fraud. That could land them prison time.

This lawsuit is a win/win.

The gun control side will think they scored a tremendous victory when the NRA will just reincorporate somewhere else and with better leadership.

[baker5150]

I am 100% for the prosecution of illegal acts.  If these allegations are founded, then these people should be held accountable.

Attempting to fold the entire organization is where you lose me, this wreaks of political bias.

Remember when the HSUS had their little issues?  Insider Embezzlement, Child sex rings, etc. 
Still going strong today, fleecing idiots out of millions of dollars every year.

[bigmacc]

This could totally backfire, this could exactly be the catalyst that totally blows this election up for the Dems, when people start realizing this is the way to get our guns. In times like this where they want to cut back and even abolish law enforcement in some cases, people are starting to accept the fact that they may need to defend themselves, their families and their property, and that goes for some democrats as well as republicans, stupidest thing ever (IMHO) to bring this up at this time, people are scared already with whats going on in the streets, we are a few riots away from a civil war and some AG wants to dissolve the NRA to get to our guns?........"Hell NO, Not Today". This could be the best thing to get conservatives to the poles this fall in record numbers AND to get some of those middle of the road democrats (that are gun owners) to jump ship. If guys within the NRA did some bad things then they need to be held accountable, but saying your goal is to dissolve the NRA, well, that should be a "rallying cry" for all gun owners, conservative or liberal and if it doesn't open your eyes to democratic agendas, well then, like I have often said, even a blind man can see it....