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Our Public Lands for Sale...
« on: September 27, 2020, 11:31:01 PM »
Anyone that enjoys their free access to public lands should watch this new documentary to learn about the immediate threats to our American way of life on public lands.











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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2020, 11:55:38 PM »
Thanks, Kyle.

A sobering film, to say the least, but worth watching, I agree. Public lands belong to all of us, regardless of political leanings. If the big corporations continue to have their way with us, someday there will not be any more hunting and fishing, no more clear streams. The greed of some people threatens us all and the ways we love to experience the great outdoors. Future generations will look back and shake their heads in disbelief at what was lost.

I am not a tree huggin' enviro, but I do believe in science, and I do believe in conservation and the need to preserve public land. This film makes a compelling case for all citizens to take a stand against further deprivation.

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2020, 09:38:25 AM »
Well stated John!

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2020, 11:12:42 AM »
Add to this threat the amount of private ground that is being put off limits to public hunting. Either purchased by anti hunters or privatized for a select few to use.  Access to public hunting is, too me, the biggest threat to future hunting
I'm afraid the hunters of the future will be those able to put a lot of money on the table to get it done.

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2020, 11:45:18 AM »
Good topic, but I didn't think the film was that great...sort of a convoluted mashing of several recent environmental/lands issues.  I think its a worthy topic, especially for sportsmen, but I don't think this film did the issue much justice.  :dunno:
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2020, 12:31:00 PM »
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2020, 01:04:19 PM »
Well, the Jason Chaffetzes, the William Perry Pendleys, the Jennifer Fielders, and the Rob Bishops will not stop trying, despite the reality that there is little way we could practically dispose of all of the western public domain into productive private hands.  As an American who regularly works on, recreates in, and enjoys public lands of both state and federal ownership, I maintain that we need constant political vigilance to protect our heritage, not to mention our access to these lands for hunting and fishing!

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2020, 01:40:35 PM »
This is a great cause. However, #1 question I have is where does the sponsor of the film stand on hunting?

This is kind of a trick question.
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2020, 01:50:36 PM »
Jackelope, would love to hear your insight on the issue!  As for Patagonia, first couple of hits on a search:
https://gearjunkie.com/yvon-chouinard-patagonia-hunters-anglers
https://www.fieldandstream.com/public-land-conservation-allies-patagonia-first-lite/

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2020, 02:31:59 PM »
Land conservation is the low hanging fruit to build a coalition of groups both on the consumptive and non consumptive users.

One of the questions we need to ask ourselves is how well is the land the the Public currently have being managed? The unfortunate trend I see is that hands off or management by nature seems to be the overwhelming trend. which leads one to wonder how much "more" could we get from physical management? A farmer or Forrester that manages his property produces MORE if they actively cultivate it. Could we not cultivate MORE of lots of different opportunities on the acreage we currently have?

We know that edge cover is a HUGE part of what allows animal numbers to thrive in all kinds of diversity, including sea life. Why is not increasing edge cover a major part of the discussion? To me the answer is that real work and management is hard. Selling folks on buying land and preventing all manner of multiple use seems an easier sell. Out here in the west we are spoiled at the amount of public land.(of which i appreciate and enjoy) Watch andy of the whitetail deer hunting on TV and look at the active planning not only for the "farm" but the additional income from hunting because of how the property is managed.  We all dream of owning property because we understand that  we can improve it  and it provides a space where we can recreate.

I am always weary of groups that dont like hunters but want us to help out... because they never return the favor. :twocents:
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2020, 03:10:53 PM »
This is a great cause. However, #1 question I have is where does the sponsor of the film stand on hunting?

This is kind of a trick question.

Is it a trick question because you know the answer? There is a ton of stuff out there on the sponsors hunting stances

He likes hunting but not all hunting...prolly no different than many of us.... does that make the film  less important/true ?



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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2020, 04:11:52 PM »
This is a great cause. However, #1 question I have is where does the sponsor of the film stand on hunting?

This is kind of a trick question.

Is it a trick question because you know the answer? There is a ton of stuff out there on the sponsors hunting stances

He likes hunting but not all hunting...prolly no different than many of us.... does that make the film  less important/true ?




I'm not sure you can have the best of both worlds. It's great that they support public lands. I mean, without public lands, their products would be mostly pointless. They seem to be either tight lipped specifically about their support(or non-support) of hunting, or they don't publically take a stance.

http://oregonoutdoorcouncil.org/top-5-shocking-companies-hurting-you/

#2 Patagonia: By supporting Cascadia Wildlands, Predator Defense, Klamath-Siskiyou Wildlands, and the Native Fish Society, Patagonia earns the number two spot in our anti-sportsmen company directory! ............

So yay for public lands. Questionable on the hunting support.
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2020, 04:30:15 PM »
I have a nephew who works for Patagonia in SLC. They not only give him time off to go hunting, they encourage him and his fellow employees to go. Not sure what their official stance is, but they seem to not be anti hunting in any way. From a business point of view I can see why they support a diversified number of outdoor oriented groups. Guess it's another example of today's "either you're with me 100 percent or you're against me 100 percent" mind sets.

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2020, 04:41:18 PM »
I don't think there is any question they support hunting...its the trophy hunting that things get questionable on...most hunters are the same way...if you don't believe me check out the YouTube comments with the Jimmy jon bull

A huge majority of our problems in the hunting world are associated with a lack of space...and hunters by and large forget that...they point to anything else they can because of fear

This is a mute point in my opinion...this is a battle already lost

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2020, 05:01:32 PM »
I have a nephew who works for Patagonia in SLC. They not only give him time off to go hunting, they encourage him and his fellow employees to go. Not sure what their official stance is, but they seem to not be anti hunting in any way. From a business point of view I can see why they support a diversified number of outdoor oriented groups. Guess it's another example of today's "either you're with me 100 percent or you're against me 100 percent" mind sets.

Theyre very much pro wolf introduction and donate to pro wolf groups.  Thats enough for me not to buy their stuff.

 


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