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Offline jackelope

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2020, 07:31:45 PM »
They’re also in bed with the HSUS.  Still yay for public lands but the predator support stuff along with the HSUS stuff is enough for me to steer clear of the Patagonia brand.
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2020, 07:57:03 PM »
Are there a lot hunters that buy patagucci?? Most of it is overpriced designer clothing. Most of the people I see that wear patagucci do so while shopping or at the office and rarely if ever go outdoors. It would seem access to the lands that are currently out there might be a pretty important issue. A lot of landlocked public land in the west.
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2020, 08:04:45 PM »
Access is ABSOLUTELY an impediment to hunting, or any other outdoor activity. There is a TON of “public” land in this state that is in practice, private. Because it’s a big chunk landlocked amongst private property, or it’s behind a gate of some kind. It seems from a rough estimate of the areas I’m familiar with, maybe 35-40% of the public land can actually be accessed. This is primarily different kinds of state land, National Forest are a lot more accessible as far as getting into, but also seems to have more closures to firearms and like because of trails and such, then of course national parks are a no no, but they should be.

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2020, 08:05:33 PM »
We need the land 1st...and then we can argue over how its managed...if we don't make it to phase two...that's not exactly pro hunting

So what is more pro hunting ?? What is the most antihunting ?


Just food for thought...like I said its a mute  point..majority of sportsman will vote for Trump and support his every move...if sportsman start being honest with Trump I do believe he will be of some benefit...but until we are honest we will end up with less opportunities

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2020, 08:21:38 PM »
Well, the Jason Chaffetzes, the William Perry Pendleys, the Jennifer Fielders, and the Rob Bishops will not stop trying, despite the reality that there is little way we could practically dispose of all of the western public domain into productive private hands.  As an American who regularly works on, recreates in, and enjoys public lands of both state and federal ownership, I maintain that we need constant political vigilance to protect our heritage, not to mention our access to these lands for hunting and fishing!
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You can add guys like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz to that list as well.

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2020, 08:24:29 PM »
Weird thread.  I don't see why this is a referendum on patagonia.  I get they sponsored the film, but the message and information is what it is... I guess its just the polarizing times...reminds me of the quote: 'small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, great minds discuss ideas'...while I do not agree with several Patagonia endorsed policies, it really has no bearing for me on the idea of transferring public lands.  I guess I don't feel threatened by having the ability to rationally agree or disagree with anyone or any organization on a case by case basis...Patagonia or the Cattlemens Association, Democrats or Republicans...I'm far more interested in the policy and the ideas being pushed than I am the labels so many like to put on people.   
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2020, 08:27:49 PM »
National Forest are a lot more accessible as far as getting into, but also seems to have more closures to firearms and like because of trails and such
There are actually only two firearm discharge closures in WA on national forest lands, and they simply prohibit target shooting, not the discharge of firearms for hunting purposes. The only other closures would be things like discharging a firearm in a campground or at a trailhead, which common sense should say you shouldn't do anyways.

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2020, 09:22:16 PM »
To me, Patagonia deserves some credit for investing in this film project that is about something that affects all Americans--not just the ones who happen to buy Patagonia projects. (I know, the company does it for p.r., in part, too.)

Same thing for Robert Redford, who, along with Patagonia founder Yvon Chouinard, is an Executive Producer for https://www.patagonia.com/films/public-trust/. I am sure there are things about which Redford and I would disagree, but he is putting his time and money into a cause he believes in--public land for all Americans.

Neither of those guys would ever have any difficulty paying for access to hunt or fish or hike on private land, so in a way they are following in the ways of people like T. Roosevelt who are trying to look out for the rest of us without the means. I appreciate the effort and will forego the trend for insisting on a purity test.

Again, I would encourage people to follow Kyle's suggestion to watch this film--whether it's disjointed or improperly sponsored or whatever--and become acquainted (or reacquainted) with what some of these corporations and their CEOs and their lackeys have been doing and continue to do. We have to fight for our land.

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2020, 09:26:04 AM »
Tagging as a reminder to watch later.
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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2020, 07:36:01 AM »
Just remember that documentaries are filmed to make money. These people make careers out of making documentaries. Additionally, some of the orgs that hunters support to preserve public land are almost wholly funded by organizations that do not have hunting and fishing interests and are absolutely diametrically opposed to those activities, and actively lobby against them.


While I support 1000% the preservation of our public lands, I have yet to find an organization that's worthy of supporting in regards to this cause. Some of the hunting NGOs have done excellent work in preserving some public lands and opening new public lands, but it's not the focus of their work. What we do need is a public lands conservation org that is not funded by environmental lobbies and has the best interests of sportsmen at it's core.

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Re: Our Public Lands for Sale...
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2020, 11:04:43 PM »
Patagonia didn't make this documentary in hopes that you would buy their gear, the purpose of this video is to make you aware of legislation that is being made to sell our land to the extraction industry.  Our freedom to recreate on public land is under threat here, take the time to learn more about it, if not from this documentary then get your information from someplace else.  Hal, the journalist in the movie, is a straight shooter, doesn't give a rat's ass if you buy anything from Patagonia, his main purpose here is to present the facts of the legislation to sell land and Patagonia is here to make it passionate and visually stunning.   We scream about threats to our gun rights, but if no one protests this type of legislation, we will still have all the guns we want but few places to go use them.

 


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