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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2021, 10:25:54 AM »
If you want opinion, this like like pursuing game with dogs.  You can use them to track a shot animal and its not considered "pursuit" because the animal is presumably alreasy dead, you can't dispatch an animal if you find it with dogs.

If you're checking an animal in a cage its likewise already caught and can't be "pursuit"

Also if you're in there with a drone you can't fly around trying to herd animals into traps, and if there's no animal in a trap and you fly away immediately its like backing out with tracking hounds upon finding your animal nit dead yet. 

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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2021, 10:41:30 AM »
Lot's of opinions, but no law. Lots of valid opinions, but opinions aren't law, I'm only interested in law not the validity of opinion.

Which goes back to what I originally said, if a trapper wants to do this then approach it as if you're building defense in a future case.

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In order to settle this question, it'll have to be decided in a court of law.

Question is, do you wanna be that guy?




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No, there really is law that covers drones. Trapping is a form of hunting as defined in the law. Drones cannot be used as an aid to hunting by law. You go to court you are for sure going to lose that argument.
Checking traps is also clear, for killing sets, 72 hour check. Special permit traps, 24 hour check. Restraining traps like cages, no check time but the animal must be removed within 24 hours of capture. Yes you need to check daily but the wording keeps people from getting tickets from varying check times. Example, set traps in the morning, check late the next day. Opens you up for a ticket with a straight 24 hour check law but it is unlikely the animal has been in the trap even 24 hours. The goal, to keep people out of trouble from overzealous enforcement.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2021, 10:44:58 AM by KFhunter »
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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2021, 10:46:59 AM »
Thanks for clarification, I did not realize "trapping" was codified as "hunting"

Doesn't make since to me, but if its law....its law.

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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2021, 10:48:05 AM »
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We talked about being that guy. In his words it's how things get changed, is someone being that guy. He brought up how the tribes have a tendency to do things there own way, such as the yakima tribe going into canada and killing an elk, calling to report they did it, and then claiming this was land that there ancestors hunted so they can do it. And it usually goes to court and they win and are granted permission to hunt that area, even if in a foreign country as of today's standards. He said the same has happened with a muckleshoot going into the colville and shooting an elk and it went to court and got thrown out, because the colville said if anyone was hunting our land back then they would have been killed for it. I then brought up that he nor I would have ANYWHERE near the pull in court that a tribe does and he laughed and agreed. But that is how they get there way is push and test to see how far they can go. Not saying that I at all agree with that method but I don't have the lawyer to back me up or the time to take off work to fight it. I don't even have the money for the drone😂
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I think that came across wrong. I agree it was worded carefully and approved by wsta, but the warden knew there are those in enforcement that will argue that it means a live restraining trap will need to be checked every 24 hrs, thus granting them an easy ticket. Yes it will be thrown out because the officer didn't know the actual law, and will learn the hard way to do his job correctly. Plenty of discussion on this forum of people in law enforcement positions willing to over reach just to puff there chest up with a badge. And that's to be expected there are dirtbags in all walks of life and I believe that was the point he was trying to make, not that it was a mistake to be written like it is

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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2021, 11:53:06 AM »
That was the Colville tribe, I kinda know the guy that done it and he told me his whole game plan before he done it, and why.  He even used his game warden truck to do it.

He's like the head cheese on the Colville res game manager.

It worked, the Colvilles are now recognized as a first nations tribe in Canada and have rights to a massive chunk of land in the upper arrows.



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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2021, 12:03:15 PM »
So the WDFW finally got back to me and the verdict is that trapping is form of hunting, so checking a trap with a drone is illegal. Bummer, but I'm glad I asked rather than get turned into a test case for the WDFW.
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Not a BS answer, in fact, it's the law.

RCW 77.08.010(33) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, harass, harvest, or capture a wild animal or wild bird.
RCW 77.08.010(65) "To trap" and its derivatives means a method of hunting using devices to capture wild animals or wild birds.

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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2021, 12:14:00 PM »
But checking a trap with a cell camera with it sending a update photo every day is legal

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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2021, 12:14:13 PM »
Thanks BT



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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2021, 12:17:21 PM »
So you can't fly a drone all during trapping season lol


Even if its not for checking traps. I already almost broke that law, I had a trapping license and used a drone to check birthing cows...crap!  (No traps were set at the time)
But that would violate the 24 hr flight rule.


Nor could I fly a plane on skis to get to a trapline, as they do in Alaska.


Quite a few guys trapping by ski plane they trap around lakes and land on the frozen lake



Sound like a BS law to me.



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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2021, 12:23:22 PM »
But you mention "drone" and everyone freaks out.


Now you gotta consider FAA laws too, using a drone for business? Hmm



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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2021, 12:58:38 PM »
So, you can use an electronic device to check your traps, so long as that device is tied to a tree and not moving... :o
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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2021, 01:14:35 PM »
I would imagine that some one with some electronic experience could come up with a way to send a trap tripped signal so you get a txt message to check the trap.... hmmm

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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2021, 01:46:45 PM »
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That's what spy cams and cell cams are used for depending on how you set it up if the camera is triggered it sends a text message picture or video link straight to your phone so you see right away if you have a catch or a miss

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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2021, 01:50:13 PM »
*if you have cellular service in your trapping areas

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Re: Checking traps without having to go there?
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2021, 06:51:45 PM »
One guy I know was using the same radio used in tracking collars. Had it rigged so when the trap was sprung the radio turned on. He could check for a signal from quite  a ways away as long as he had line of sight. He didn't have to depend on cellular signal.
He was setting for cats off the road in canyons where it was a walk to check the traps but he could check for the signal from the road at a high point.
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