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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2021, 06:37:50 PM »
The WHITE man gave them those rights.... 

Yes, they can shoot bulls year around.

"They" didn't give "them" anything. 

It was contractually agreed upon in a treaty between two nations.  That treaty is enforced and honored (on the USA end of things) by our Constitution; the supreme law of the land. 

To the OPs point, it is what it is.  The Colockum and Yakima herds are primary targets for local natives.  If you don't want to share that with them then you just need to hunt elsewhere. 

Heck, if someone told me I could shoot an extra elk every year, I wouldn't hesitate.  Our elk is usually gone by May.

Change the way its worded  all you want, but yes the white man GAVE them those rights.  However you want to spell it out.  Period! End of story. 
I kill elk and eat elk, when I'm not, I'm thinking about killing elk and eating elk.

It doesn't matter what you think...

The Whiners suck!!

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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2021, 07:15:14 PM »
Fine. Then the native Americans gave the white nan the right to live here. Revoke the treaties and you would have to leave. Crazy how wording works
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If you are not willing to die for freedom then take the word out of your vocabulary.

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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2021, 08:47:24 PM »
Fine. Then the native Americans gave the white nan the right to live here. Revoke the treaties and you would have to leave. Crazy how wording works
That's funny ,so history can repeat itself.
No more casino
No reservation
If you look at how the treaty came about in history .
You would repeat that process onto your people.
I see this topic getting locked real quick.
As far as wildlife and wildlife laws I have no problem revoke the treaty .I guess you'll have to buy a hunting liences,fishing license,Getting up to speed with regulations and bag limits,seasons and all that fun stuff and do it with out casino money.I guess no more  sovereign nation .
Do you really want all that white man "white privilege" pushed into the nation.
Just like in history ,I'm not really seeing white man going anywhere.
Better hope the federal government never falls ,you might get your wish about the treaty.The only thing that keeps your treaty is the federal government and Constitution.


Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2021, 09:05:59 PM »
Fine. Then the native Americans gave the white nan the right to live here. Revoke the treaties and you would have to leave. Crazy how wording works
That's funny ,so history can repeat itself.
No more casino
No reservation
If you look at how the treaty came about in history .
You would repeat that process onto your people.
I see this topic getting locked real quick.
As far as wildlife and wildlife laws I have no problem revoke the treaty .I guess you'll have to buy a hunting liences,fishing license,Getting up to speed with regulations and bag limits,seasons and all that fun stuff and do it with out casino money.I guess no more  sovereign nation .
Do you really want all that white man "white privilege" pushed into the nation.
Just like in history ,I'm not really seeing white man going anywhere.
Better hope the federal government never falls ,you might get your wish about the treaty.The only thing that keeps your treaty is the federal government and Constitution.

Wow so your are basically saying we should go to war with the tribes over this? Interesting take.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

If you are not willing to die for freedom then take the word out of your vocabulary.

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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2021, 09:11:47 PM »
Fine. Then the native Americans gave the white nan the right to live here. Revoke the treaties and you would have to leave. Crazy how wording works
That's funny ,so history can repeat itself.
No more casino
No reservation
If you look at how the treaty came about in history .
You would repeat that process onto your people.
I see this topic getting locked real quick.
As far as wildlife and wildlife laws I have no problem revoke the treaty .I guess you'll have to buy a hunting liences,fishing license,Getting up to speed with regulations and bag limits,seasons and all that fun stuff and do it with out casino money.I guess no more  sovereign nation .
Do you really want all that white man "white privilege" pushed into the nation.
Just like in history ,I'm not really seeing white man going anywhere.
Better hope the federal government never falls ,you might get your wish about the treaty.The only thing that keeps your treaty is the federal government and Constitution.

Wow so your are basically saying we should go to war with the tribes over this? Interesting take.
The point I'm trying to make is your treaty is with the federal government not the "white man".
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2021, 09:15:51 PM »
Fine. Then the native Americans gave the white nan the right to live here. Revoke the treaties and you would have to leave. Crazy how wording works
That's funny ,so history can repeat itself.
No more casino
No reservation
If you look at how the treaty came about in history .
You would repeat that process onto your people.
I see this topic getting locked real quick.
As far as wildlife and wildlife laws I have no problem revoke the treaty .I guess you'll have to buy a hunting liences,fishing license,Getting up to speed with regulations and bag limits,seasons and all that fun stuff and do it with out casino money.I guess no more  sovereign nation .
Do you really want all that white man "white privilege" pushed into the nation.
Just like in history ,I'm not really seeing white man going anywhere.
Better hope the federal government never falls ,you might get your wish about the treaty.The only thing that keeps your treaty is the federal government and Constitution.

Wow so your are basically saying we should go to war with the tribes over this? Interesting take.
The point I'm trying to make is your treaty is with the federal government not the "white man".
I mean looking at history. When the treaties were signed, how many members of the federal government were not white men? But sure. The federal government acts as a representative of the People of the United States in those treaties. If you don’t like what they are doing, take it it up with you elected reps. Kind of veiled threat behind saying they are protected by constitution, although your rights are also only protected by the constitution and the federal government so......
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2021, 09:26:18 PM »
Fine. Then the native Americans gave the white nan the right to live here. Revoke the treaties and you would have to leave. Crazy how wording works
That's funny ,so history can repeat itself.
No more casino
No reservation
If you look at how the treaty came about in history .
You would repeat that process onto your people.
I see this topic getting locked real quick.
As far as wildlife and wildlife laws I have no problem revoke the treaty .I guess you'll have to buy a hunting liences,fishing license,Getting up to speed with regulations and bag limits,seasons and all that fun stuff and do it with out casino money.I guess no more  sovereign nation .
Do you really want all that white man "white privilege" pushed into the nation.
Just like in history ,I'm not really seeing white man going anywhere.
Better hope the federal government never falls ,you might get your wish about the treaty.The only thing that keeps your treaty is the federal government and Constitution.

Wow so your are basically saying we should go to war with the tribes over this? Interesting take.
The point I'm trying to make is your treaty is with the federal government not the "white man".
I mean looking at history. When the treaties were signed, how many members of the federal government were not white men? But sure. The federal government acts as a representative of the People of the United States in those treaties. If you don’t like what they are doing, take it it up with you elected reps. Kind of veiled threat behind saying they are protected by constitution, although your rights are also only protected by the constitution and the federal government so......
And just like that every time our constitution is used as toilet paper. Your treaty is worth a little less and a little less.
Ever heard that saying it isn't worth the paper it was printed on. Same with the treaty and constitution.Every year less men in this country stand behind it.
In return makes it worth a little less and little less each year.
It isn't me that makes it worth less ,but the direction our new generation heads does not fair well for the treaty.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2021, 09:34:37 PM »
Time for a little cool down.  Hopefully it goes back to a civil discussion if we unlock it.
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2021, 07:12:36 AM »
I wasn't calling you out personally Rainier, I respect your opinion.  I just was trying to say, which sometimes I can't communicate very well, how I see people jumping out to support the tribal hunting because it's been frowned on for so long and they happen to know and or respect some tribal members.  I respect a certain tribal member from one of the worst tribes (when it comes to abuse of game) in our state.  He knows how I feel about tribal hunting, but he also knows I respect his view on it.  He's tried to change things, and he's willing to admit there is a problem.  So, I will continue to say how wrong the treaty hunting rights are, and not try to sugar coat it because I respect a certain member.  I know the non natives poach, but at least when they get caught, they have a real chance of being penalized.  I don't believe for one second that non native poaching is the reason the Yakima elk herd has taken a dump the past few years, wolves, native over harvest and some non native poaching.
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2021, 08:06:31 AM »
Every year or two in the colockum I come across multiple cow elk shot like 5-10 within 100 yards and left to rot next to the road. The last two years I have seen big bulls left next to the road. Pretty sure those weren’t tribal and definitely not used for jerky. These have all been on one three mile stretch of road. I would argue that non native poaching/waste is a bigger problem than you think.

I would also argue that non native poaching is not prosecuted very well. Loss of license. Not a big deal to a poacher. The guys in operation Cody didn’t seem to get much punishment.

I’m am fine agreeing to disagree.
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2021, 08:39:46 AM »
All I'm gonna say is......
When the resource is gone ,ITS GONE....
Poaching ,tribal hunting,whatever.
Done with this topic.
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2021, 09:02:06 AM »
I forgot to add, tribal hunters provided that Asian poaching ring leader elk and deer weekly!!  That guy received most his meat from tribal guys.  And I do agree non tribal poachers don’t get enough punishment, that we are in agreement. 
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2021, 10:08:59 AM »
I forgot to add, tribal hunters provided that Asian poaching ring leader elk and deer weekly!!  That guy received most his meat from tribal guys.  And I do agree non tribal poachers don’t get enough punishment, that we are in agreement.
And had that Asian been given a stiffer penalty it would send a message to others to not be the middle man for the tribes.  If there is nobody to sell to/no demand then there is no need for the for overharvest.  A big part of the reason they take so many is they can sell it to people like the guy in Operation Cody.  You can't control the tribes because of the treaty but the treaty doesn't apply to the ring leader.  You can give him a stiffer punishment and send a message to others, don't do this.  The slap on the wrist he got makes the risk versus reward worth it to others to do the same thing.

There are tools and laws in place to greatly reduce overharvest they just aren't used.
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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2021, 10:15:32 AM »
There are tribes in every state in the West. 

Those states also have wolves (another contentious issue).

What every other state does not have is WDFW.

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Re: Year round Bull Elk season
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2021, 10:16:48 AM »
Agree, that azz hat got house restriction, it was a joke and slap in the face to Todd and all the other UC police that kicked butt on that case.  Those prosecutors should be strung up by their toes (being nice).  Worst case of poaching in our history and nothing was done to the offenders. 
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