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Quote from: ducks4days on July 19, 2021, 06:58:27 PMQuote from: idaho guy on July 19, 2021, 05:04:08 PMQuote from: johnaferrera on July 18, 2021, 06:21:27 PMCwd is literally 2 countys away. 70 miles as the crow flys. It probably just a matter of time before its here. Banning baiting would slow it down. i never had a problem harvesting a whitetail on public land without bait and i am not young. From what i read it really spreads were deer are concentrated together. I personally dont relish the idea of eating a cwd deer. That’s a discouraging statement to hear from another hunter. I don’t do it so screw the other guys ? It’s already been stated that this will have NO effect on cwd deer and elk congregate in way larger numbers for many things beyond a bucket of apples. This was the attitude people probably had with bear baiting and hounds. I’m sure there were “superior” bear hunters who didn’t need bait or dogs back then too.I dont personally bait, and I dont hold the same respect for people who hunt over bait as I do for people who go pay more in sweat equity for their kills. That said, a ban on any existing hunting technique is a ban on all hunting techniques, and I sure as hell dont support it. Keep in mind that the strategy we are fighting against is the "death by a thousand cuts" play. We need to be vigilant and support all ethical forms of our hunting heritage, irrelevant of whether or not we hunt that specific game or in that specific way.Let me enlighten you - Maintaining a bait site properly requires a serious amount of work and dedication. The enormous amount of feed you bring in with you to then navigate off road off trail is overwhelming for most. Setting up and changing your stand (if you have one) from tree to tree to account for the direction of thermals based on what direction game will likely come in from. What some don't realize is that by running a site like this, it allows the hunter to be very selective. For example, since we're talking about deer/elk bait rules here, a hunter can wait for a mature buck to show up and harvest it if he chooses. This is the best scenario from a game management perspective. Typically people running dedicated bait sites are only going to be harvesting mature animals. I can't say the same for those that don't.
Quote from: idaho guy on July 19, 2021, 05:04:08 PMQuote from: johnaferrera on July 18, 2021, 06:21:27 PMCwd is literally 2 countys away. 70 miles as the crow flys. It probably just a matter of time before its here. Banning baiting would slow it down. i never had a problem harvesting a whitetail on public land without bait and i am not young. From what i read it really spreads were deer are concentrated together. I personally dont relish the idea of eating a cwd deer. That’s a discouraging statement to hear from another hunter. I don’t do it so screw the other guys ? It’s already been stated that this will have NO effect on cwd deer and elk congregate in way larger numbers for many things beyond a bucket of apples. This was the attitude people probably had with bear baiting and hounds. I’m sure there were “superior” bear hunters who didn’t need bait or dogs back then too.I dont personally bait, and I dont hold the same respect for people who hunt over bait as I do for people who go pay more in sweat equity for their kills. That said, a ban on any existing hunting technique is a ban on all hunting techniques, and I sure as hell dont support it. Keep in mind that the strategy we are fighting against is the "death by a thousand cuts" play. We need to be vigilant and support all ethical forms of our hunting heritage, irrelevant of whether or not we hunt that specific game or in that specific way.
Quote from: johnaferrera on July 18, 2021, 06:21:27 PMCwd is literally 2 countys away. 70 miles as the crow flys. It probably just a matter of time before its here. Banning baiting would slow it down. i never had a problem harvesting a whitetail on public land without bait and i am not young. From what i read it really spreads were deer are concentrated together. I personally dont relish the idea of eating a cwd deer. That’s a discouraging statement to hear from another hunter. I don’t do it so screw the other guys ? It’s already been stated that this will have NO effect on cwd deer and elk congregate in way larger numbers for many things beyond a bucket of apples. This was the attitude people probably had with bear baiting and hounds. I’m sure there were “superior” bear hunters who didn’t need bait or dogs back then too.
Cwd is literally 2 countys away. 70 miles as the crow flys. It probably just a matter of time before its here. Banning baiting would slow it down. i never had a problem harvesting a whitetail on public land without bait and i am not young. From what i read it really spreads were deer are concentrated together. I personally dont relish the idea of eating a cwd deer.
The most concentrated I ever saw whitetail was over alfalfa pastures.I don't think throwing apples and corn on the ground is going to bring several hundred deer into your stand.
Quote from: ctwiggs1 on July 20, 2021, 10:09:55 AMThe most concentrated I ever saw whitetail was over alfalfa pastures.I don't think throwing apples and corn on the ground is going to bring several hundred deer into your stand.Perhaps we should ban any agricultural product which attracts deer.
Quote from: hunter399 on July 19, 2021, 08:41:37 PMQuote from: jrebel on July 19, 2021, 07:35:23 PMQuote from: buckcanyonlodge on July 19, 2021, 03:56:08 PMQuote from: KFhunter on July 19, 2021, 06:48:03 AMHerds are collapsing, ending baiting helps keep a few more deer for predatorsThe mule deer herd that I have fed for 14 years has really taken a hit since Feb. Seven of the dominant breeding does have all gone missing ( two of them were over 14 years old ). they would all have twins every year....one quarter of the fawns would survive. I also had 5 yearling spike bucks that all but one has gone missing. Neighbor has a pic of the collared cougar that jrebel has on his cam from 3 miles away. Also 4 other individual cats. They are wiping out the local mulies. Sickening. Started 14 years ago with 34 deer and today have about 12. That is not counting the whitetail.I have two females (at least I believe they are female based on size) on camera over the last two weeks. Bears are running rampant in all of the NE as well.......AND OUR WDFW IS WORRIED ABOUT CWD AND BAIT PILES!!!!! If it wasn't so serious....it would almost be laughable. WDFW SUCKS (insert middle finger emoji here). I'm tired of WDFW and our state taking, taking, taking and taking some more with no concessions. Kill the predators and then we can talk CWD, until then you can suck an egg. Knowing your local area and I have a pretty good idea.Wolves are up high and have ran cougar everywhere.I Agree with both your statement . The mule deer are getting hit very hard. Up high in the mountains/down low/everywhere. Pretty much to the point of extinction. But it's ok for WDFW to eliminate mule deer in Stevens county for wolves and cougar. I can guarantee that there predator/prey study is not show the extinction of mule deer in there traditional areas,there gonna act like the mule deer was never there. It's sickening. I'm trying to say wolves have started a chain reaction of moving animals to a pile of dust.Just remember them wolves are just a few miles up the mountain from you guys. Those wolves will push there competition down. It's taken a few years to see the total repercussions wolves have brought, hopefully now your eyes are open. Mule deer in Stevens county are dead or as good as dead. Now you know. WDFW won't make any special regulations,The only regulations we get is no antlerless harvest of whitetail or mule deer. And Now that you guys can see more clearly,by the time WDFW does anything to help mule deer they will be gone.And only old timers like us will remember they where even here. Really just a sad story.Just to add most of the mule deer are gone up in the mountain,where the wolf territory is. Cougar have no choice in being in low elevation. But don't be surprised here soon when you hear them howling at your backdoor. It will come soon there is nothing up high for them to eat. They are not far behind those cougar.Yes, very sad indeed. I have had 3 wolves on camera over the last three years too.
Quote from: jrebel on July 19, 2021, 07:35:23 PMQuote from: buckcanyonlodge on July 19, 2021, 03:56:08 PMQuote from: KFhunter on July 19, 2021, 06:48:03 AMHerds are collapsing, ending baiting helps keep a few more deer for predatorsThe mule deer herd that I have fed for 14 years has really taken a hit since Feb. Seven of the dominant breeding does have all gone missing ( two of them were over 14 years old ). they would all have twins every year....one quarter of the fawns would survive. I also had 5 yearling spike bucks that all but one has gone missing. Neighbor has a pic of the collared cougar that jrebel has on his cam from 3 miles away. Also 4 other individual cats. They are wiping out the local mulies. Sickening. Started 14 years ago with 34 deer and today have about 12. That is not counting the whitetail.I have two females (at least I believe they are female based on size) on camera over the last two weeks. Bears are running rampant in all of the NE as well.......AND OUR WDFW IS WORRIED ABOUT CWD AND BAIT PILES!!!!! If it wasn't so serious....it would almost be laughable. WDFW SUCKS (insert middle finger emoji here). I'm tired of WDFW and our state taking, taking, taking and taking some more with no concessions. Kill the predators and then we can talk CWD, until then you can suck an egg. Knowing your local area and I have a pretty good idea.Wolves are up high and have ran cougar everywhere.I Agree with both your statement . The mule deer are getting hit very hard. Up high in the mountains/down low/everywhere. Pretty much to the point of extinction. But it's ok for WDFW to eliminate mule deer in Stevens county for wolves and cougar. I can guarantee that there predator/prey study is not show the extinction of mule deer in there traditional areas,there gonna act like the mule deer was never there. It's sickening. I'm trying to say wolves have started a chain reaction of moving animals to a pile of dust.Just remember them wolves are just a few miles up the mountain from you guys. Those wolves will push there competition down. It's taken a few years to see the total repercussions wolves have brought, hopefully now your eyes are open. Mule deer in Stevens county are dead or as good as dead. Now you know. WDFW won't make any special regulations,The only regulations we get is no antlerless harvest of whitetail or mule deer. And Now that you guys can see more clearly,by the time WDFW does anything to help mule deer they will be gone.And only old timers like us will remember they where even here. Really just a sad story.Just to add most of the mule deer are gone up in the mountain,where the wolf territory is. Cougar have no choice in being in low elevation. But don't be surprised here soon when you hear them howling at your backdoor. It will come soon there is nothing up high for them to eat. They are not far behind those cougar.
Quote from: buckcanyonlodge on July 19, 2021, 03:56:08 PMQuote from: KFhunter on July 19, 2021, 06:48:03 AMHerds are collapsing, ending baiting helps keep a few more deer for predatorsThe mule deer herd that I have fed for 14 years has really taken a hit since Feb. Seven of the dominant breeding does have all gone missing ( two of them were over 14 years old ). they would all have twins every year....one quarter of the fawns would survive. I also had 5 yearling spike bucks that all but one has gone missing. Neighbor has a pic of the collared cougar that jrebel has on his cam from 3 miles away. Also 4 other individual cats. They are wiping out the local mulies. Sickening. Started 14 years ago with 34 deer and today have about 12. That is not counting the whitetail.I have two females (at least I believe they are female based on size) on camera over the last two weeks. Bears are running rampant in all of the NE as well.......AND OUR WDFW IS WORRIED ABOUT CWD AND BAIT PILES!!!!! If it wasn't so serious....it would almost be laughable. WDFW SUCKS (insert middle finger emoji here). I'm tired of WDFW and our state taking, taking, taking and taking some more with no concessions. Kill the predators and then we can talk CWD, until then you can suck an egg.
Quote from: KFhunter on July 19, 2021, 06:48:03 AMHerds are collapsing, ending baiting helps keep a few more deer for predatorsThe mule deer herd that I have fed for 14 years has really taken a hit since Feb. Seven of the dominant breeding does have all gone missing ( two of them were over 14 years old ). they would all have twins every year....one quarter of the fawns would survive. I also had 5 yearling spike bucks that all but one has gone missing. Neighbor has a pic of the collared cougar that jrebel has on his cam from 3 miles away. Also 4 other individual cats. They are wiping out the local mulies. Sickening. Started 14 years ago with 34 deer and today have about 12. That is not counting the whitetail.
Herds are collapsing, ending baiting helps keep a few more deer for predators
I have my feeders in open areas hoping that the deer will see a predator coming and have lots of escape routes.
Quote from: johnaferrera on July 18, 2021, 06:21:27 PMCwd is literally 2 countys away. 70 miles as the crow flys. It probably just a matter of time before its here. Banning baiting would slow it down. i never had a problem harvesting a whitetail on public land without bait and i am not young. From what i read it really spreads were deer are concentrated together. I personally dont relish the idea of eating a cwd deer.That is a false statement, the fact is that until CWD is actually in Washington baiting or any other activity for that matter has absolutely no impact on the spread of CWD. As far as I know the nearest CWD is in Montana, there is no baiting allowed in Montana, it's been that way for as long as I can remember, so right there is proof that baiting by hunters most likely did not cause the spread of CWD into Montana!This is just another attempt to ban baiting for no biological reason!
Its not the wolves running the cougars out of the hills, its just the cougars following the deer. Same results either way.