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These folks seem completely ignorant to the reality of wildlife management. They think if they stop hunters from hunting the animals get to live free. As if the government won’t just contract out the killing to APHIS and other similar outfits. Even with hunting seasons ongoing they still hire contractors for removal. California cougar is a great long term study of this. Used to be hunters hunted and still contractors were needed, and now since 1990 it’s all just contractors and damage permits. But still 200 to 300 California cougars get killed on average each year. The activists didn’t stop any cougars from getting killed, they just stopped joe hunter who wanted to eat them from participating. Why have hunters pay to hunt when you can just have taxpayers pay contractors to kill them. But I guess we have to remember these folks also think the government hands out free money and will take care of us all. Even the commission members ask questions along these lines; is there scientific evidence the spring hunts reduce tree damage, does the population data show the spring hunt isn’t a detriment to the population, ect… All seemingly reasonable questions till you consider these folks have the data right in front of them that shows for decades these hunts have taken place, and each year APHIS and other outfits are brought in to remove hundreds of bears, using dogs, bait, and traps.
I’m still firmly of the opinion the system is set to remove (or at least identify) repeat comments.
Quote from: Chesapeake on March 10, 2022, 06:39:10 AMI’m still firmly of the opinion the system is set to remove (or at least identify) repeat comments. I agree. And I don't see how a lot of them can have any merit. I have seen a handful of inappropriate comments/language on the 'Yes' side.
Getting ready to call in as one of the hundred people today on the meeting. If these kind of bad *censored* crazy comments are allowed to be stated on this I don’t know if I’m gonna be able to continue listening once I am done with my portion. Hopefully they have the mute button on hand for when they start slinging names and death threats against all the hunters. But I suppose that will just undermine there position even more if they do go that route
I looked back a few pages but didn't see it posted here. Did others see or hear the Western Huntsman podcast that commissioner Jim Anderson was on? I think it is a good listen when preparing your comments for tomorrow. Basically Anderson says to focus comments on hunting culture, why hunting is important to you, how hunting is part of you and your family and that kind of thing. The commission has seen the numbers and science. They need to see rational, passionate conservationists that support the spring bear hunt. We need to tell them why this hunt and hunting in general is so important to us. The anti's are attacking something they don't understand and they will make that obvious. Make your position and passion clear in your comments. see you tomorrow
Quote from: Tbar on February 07, 2022, 11:18:20 AMQuote from: pickardjw on February 07, 2022, 10:34:30 AMAgain, no I have not seen evidence of anti's cussing out or insulting the WDFW or F&G Commission in writing. Feel free to link to examples. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons. If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.Did you listen to any of the commission processes that I referenced? Show us the path to success, please! I've watched hundreds of hours of testimony and have seen more attacks than I can count. I do believe they need to pull their head out of the sand. I do believe their is infiltration by biased employees that need to be singled out and identified for what they represent. I do not think your rank and file Washington resident is pro or against and did not appoint or hire these individuals. If hounds are the best tool for managing certain species than a message in many forms may be warranted. You seem to be well versed so guide us. You must have stepped out each time a vicious attacks on hunters and supporters of consumptive users, this seems odd that you've missed them with your vast knowledge. Unsurprisingly, not an effective message if the goal is to change my opinion. No I did not listen to those. If the anti's are cussing Commissioners out and calling them names then good. I only see that as detrimental to their cause. I have yet to see an example of that in writing that can be compared to the one I posted. I thought the goal was to show support for the Spring Bear season with these comments and potentially sway the opinion of the new Commissioners or the other No votes. But if the goal is to vent anger and frustration and insult the people that we're trying to get on our side then it seems appropriate.
Quote from: pickardjw on February 07, 2022, 10:34:30 AMAgain, no I have not seen evidence of anti's cussing out or insulting the WDFW or F&G Commission in writing. Feel free to link to examples. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons. If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.Did you listen to any of the commission processes that I referenced? Show us the path to success, please! I've watched hundreds of hours of testimony and have seen more attacks than I can count. I do believe they need to pull their head out of the sand. I do believe their is infiltration by biased employees that need to be singled out and identified for what they represent. I do not think your rank and file Washington resident is pro or against and did not appoint or hire these individuals. If hounds are the best tool for managing certain species than a message in many forms may be warranted. You seem to be well versed so guide us. You must have stepped out each time a vicious attacks on hunters and supporters of consumptive users, this seems odd that you've missed them with your vast knowledge.
Again, no I have not seen evidence of anti's cussing out or insulting the WDFW or F&G Commission in writing. Feel free to link to examples. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Mine is that cussing out and name calling the people you're trying to convince to support your cause is detrimental. I've never seen a debate won be cussing out the judges. Never seen a jury swayed by calling them morons. If I were undecided on this issue (like our 3 new Commissioner might be) and read that, I would be moved against supporting the commenter's position.
I don't care if they can parse out duplicate comments or comments by IP address. I can't stand seeing all the anti comments stack up...
