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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2022, 10:12:17 AM »
Exactly,   They are an apex predator.  They will settle where there is ample food and terrain for them and the range will support them. 

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2022, 10:14:53 AM »
Sorry WWC.   Not happening.  For multiple reasons actually.

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2022, 11:59:52 AM »
This sounds very much like a recent attempt to move some griz out of the Yellowstone recovery area in an attempt to keep their numbers below the agreed upon threshold that would allow hunting griz in that ecosystem.  No matter what, true reasons will be impossible to unearth.  Its all just another bs story by a bunch of liars.   :twocents:

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2022, 12:20:25 PM »
Yes, and  a couple in North Central

 :yeah:
We started seeing grizz in the Alpine lakes in the late 90s.
WA bio we brought pictures to told us not to tell anyone.

Photos or it didn’t happen. I know several bios in that very same region and they most definitely would not participate in a cover up.

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2022, 12:30:04 PM »
This sounds very much like a recent attempt to move some griz out of the Yellowstone recovery area in an attempt to keep their numbers below the agreed upon threshold that would allow hunting griz in that ecosystem.  No matter what, true reasons will be impossible to unearth.  Its all just another bs story by a bunch of liars.   :twocents:

The YNP Grizz are very adapted to eating elk calves

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2022, 12:37:16 PM »
Yes, and  a couple in North Central

 :yeah:
We started seeing grizz in the Alpine lakes in the late 90s.
WA bio we brought pictures to told us not to tell anyone.

Photos or it didn’t happen. I know several bios in that very same region and they most definitely would not participate in a cover up.



"Participate" being the key word there.  One does not have to participate to be implicit.  To know about something and just turn the other cheek so to speak, and ignore what goes on near and around you, and not acknowledge its presence, is like indirect participation.

I too, like to believe the guys I know, would stand up and be counted vs. be counted upon by the slippery component. Good paying job and pension seals a lot of lips


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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2022, 12:40:28 PM »
Where’s your photo?

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2022, 12:43:21 PM »
On a 4tb hard drive tucked neatly in a drawer.  There are some things that aren’t shared.

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2022, 02:09:48 PM »
A past member here and friend Saw An ear tagged Grizz in the Pysaden Wilderness many years back.  Ran into a Bio and told them they saw a grizz. They were blown off. The bio became quite interested when my friend told the bio "So you dont want to know what the number is on the ear tag?" Suddenly the bio was full of questions. Sadly only a time date location, no pictures and doesn't remember the ear tag number
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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2022, 02:16:10 PM »
I got the same song and dance with wolves repeatedly over the years.  Heck, even before wolves “existed” in Washington. Lol! 

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2022, 02:47:09 PM »
Yes, and  a couple in North Central

 :yeah:
We started seeing grizz in the Alpine lakes in the late 90s.
WA bio we brought pictures to told us not to tell anyone.

Photos or it didn’t happen. I know several bios in that very same region and they most definitely would not participate in a cover up.

This got me thinking about integrity

Defending one's integrity is a hill I will always climb, a mountain I would always die defending, should it come to that.

There is no faster way to get me in your grill than to call it into question, and I suspect Bone is the same. 

I have never called another persons integrity into question, ever, having it myself I know what it is to defend, what it means, so I wouldn't ever call it into question without irrefutable just cause, proof, as it is so important to me and others like me. 

So what sort of person assaults another's integrity on such a whim?

Just thinking out loud  ;)

Bone says there was grizz up there, then by gawd there was grizz up there!

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2022, 02:47:37 PM »
I love the pics or it didn't happen mentality.
Pretty much calling someone a liar.
I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm not trying to stir the pot. But....I know what I saw. I know what we took pics of. If I can dig em up I'll share. But we ran disposable cams and old 35mm junk back then.  I didn't save most of those old pics.
I talked to two warden's I knew from the district and eventually the district bio.
The response was, ya we've heard of griz up there. But we'd prefer it doesn't become common knowledge. This is before the world wide web so sharing was word of mouth.
I don't think it was some cover up. It was we don't want it common knowledge.
Just like when we started running across wolves up there. But the state refused to confirm a pack in the greater 335 for year's....so ya....super trustworthy...

But what do I know.

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2022, 03:09:19 PM »
Seen a Grizzly up deadman cr. road in the Sherman unit in 2018.  I was spring bear hunting and it almost got shot before I realized it wasn't a blackie.  No pictures so I guess it didn't happen.

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2022, 03:13:04 PM »
I got the same song and dance with wolves repeatedly over the years.  Heck, even before wolves “existed” in Washington. Lol!

Yep! I know where some wolves were back in the late 90's in Washington even. I can show you on a map a pretty close location. Probably still find some bones nearby...  :dunno:

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Re: North Cascades Grizzly Reintroduction
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2022, 03:13:37 PM »
I've never seen one in the north cascades bit only a small percentage of my work is up that way. Ive heard about a siting from a woodsman i trust though. U spend 250 plus days a year in the brush and you see a lot more than out a windshield

 


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