We are pursuing a lawsuit against the Governor

[Special T]

What is the desired outcome from the proposed lawsuit? 

If you have listened to some of the interviews or read some of the longer articles I think its pretty well laid out. They state a couple of RCWs that are broken and they point to a lawsuit by the builders showing a rough outline of case precedence of the Governor breaking the law and a remedy. In the case of the Builders suit they got to kick off 2 people on the building commission hand pick 2 and get paid for their trouble.

How would I roll it out? Well I would bounce about 4 of these jokers off the commission. The governor did not consult ANY sportsmen group on them. The Commercial fishermen do not have a representative which would need a to change. Also some kind of frame work for appointments revolving around consulting and the distribution stated in the RCWs they point out, and I think Ive heard of 3 that apply.

To me it’s pretty clear why they won.

“The law reserves one of the two general contracting positions for residential construction and another for commercial construction. It also requires the governor to appoint only people who have been nominated by those specific industries unless the industry fails to submit nominees. This ensures that groups impacted by the code have a role in changes made to the code and the timing of their implementation.”

I don’t see the same requirements when picking members of the fish and wildlife commission.

Maybe I'm talking crazy talk here, but maybe stop pointing out things that could aide in their defense...

I guess we can’t talk about this because some of you guys want to have some fantasy “feels good” victory?
I wish the lawsuit the best.  I don’t see the possibility of success. 

First off I dont believe being a skeptic makes you wrong or a hater. It also appears from what WWC has said in past posts they understand sportsmen are natural skeptics, I often fit this bill myself. As much info as WWC has been sharing surely they cannot lay the cards on the table yet. The lawsuit has not been filed. I have hungered for an organization to provide some real actionable leadership.

My response to you is this. lawsuits are not cheap, and unless you can tap into the equal access to justice funds, it all comes out of your pocket. Many folks on here have thrown out ideas for what to sue for and why but they dont go anywhere because no case precedence, expensive and the result is playing a game of whack a mole. Anyone that has had to sue people takes a hard look at the cost of litigation and what you get as a result from it.

Hopefully if you don't see the merits, or the possibilities you will do one thing when its over. Join and make a decent donation when they win. 

[pianoman9701]

What is the desired outcome from the proposed lawsuit? 

If you have listened to some of the interviews or read some of the longer articles I think its pretty well laid out. They state a couple of RCWs that are broken and they point to a lawsuit by the builders showing a rough outline of case precedence of the Governor breaking the law and a remedy. In the case of the Builders suit they got to kick off 2 people on the building commission hand pick 2 and get paid for their trouble.

How would I roll it out? Well I would bounce about 4 of these jokers off the commission. The governor did not consult ANY sportsmen group on them. The Commercial fishermen do not have a representative which would need a to change. Also some kind of frame work for appointments revolving around consulting and the distribution stated in the RCWs they point out, and I think Ive heard of 3 that apply.

To me it’s pretty clear why they won.

“The law reserves one of the two general contracting positions for residential construction and another for commercial construction. It also requires the governor to appoint only people who have been nominated by those specific industries unless the industry fails to submit nominees. This ensures that groups impacted by the code have a role in changes made to the code and the timing of their implementation.”

I don’t see the same requirements when picking members of the fish and wildlife commission.

Maybe I'm talking crazy talk here, but maybe stop pointing out things that could aide in their defense...

I guess we can’t talk about this because some of you guys want to have some fantasy “feels good” victory?
I wish the lawsuit the best.  I don’t see the possibility of success. 

So, are you of the opinion that the Building Commission had something we don't when they forced the Governor to do exactly what we're asking without ever even going to court??

[Jake Dogfish]

What is the desired outcome from the proposed lawsuit? 

If you have listened to some of the interviews or read some of the longer articles I think its pretty well laid out. They state a couple of RCWs that are broken and they point to a lawsuit by the builders showing a rough outline of case precedence of the Governor breaking the law and a remedy. In the case of the Builders suit they got to kick off 2 people on the building commission hand pick 2 and get paid for their trouble.

How would I roll it out? Well I would bounce about 4 of these jokers off the commission. The governor did not consult ANY sportsmen group on them. The Commercial fishermen do not have a representative which would need a to change. Also some kind of frame work for appointments revolving around consulting and the distribution stated in the RCWs they point out, and I think Ive heard of 3 that apply.

To me it’s pretty clear why they won.

“The law reserves one of the two general contracting positions for residential construction and another for commercial construction. It also requires the governor to appoint only people who have been nominated by those specific industries unless the industry fails to submit nominees. This ensures that groups impacted by the code have a role in changes made to the code and the timing of their implementation.”

I don’t see the same requirements when picking members of the fish and wildlife commission.

Maybe I'm talking crazy talk here, but maybe stop pointing out things that could aide in their defense...

I guess we can’t talk about this because some of you guys want to have some fantasy “feels good” victory?
I wish the lawsuit the best.  I don’t see the possibility of success. 

So, are you of the opinion that the Building Commission had something we don't when they forced the Governor to do exactly what we're asking without ever even going to court??

Yes.
That was discussed on the previous page.

[snake]

Its amazing how much money most of us spend on hunting and or fishing in one year, I am easily at 5-10k. But still hesitate to donate as little as $100 to a cause like this, even if there is a slight change of making a change it is worth it.  Also guys that hunt in Idaho should well support it. Bettering hunting in Washington will most likely decrease pressure in nearby states to some degree. 

[Rainier10]

This thread has a ton of information and discussion about the lawsuit and should be bumped.

[Special T]

Its amazing how much money most of us spend on hunting and or fishing in one year, I am easily at 5-10k. But still hesitate to donate as little as $100 to a cause like this, even if there is a slight change of making a change it is worth it.  Also guys that hunt in Idaho should well support it. Bettering hunting in Washington will most likely decrease pressure in nearby states to some degree. 

I'm a huge supporter of the lawsuit but I will play devil's advocate for my fellow sportsmen that are naturally a skeptic like me.  I was once an enthusasic supporter of a organization with money and spending money at thier banquets. They were happy to take my money and tell us about thier good works and how much they supported hunters. Well that day came when my fellow suportsmen made the call to said organization. Turns out they didn't really support hunters and hid behind that they were a "conservation" organization and they couldn't get political. I told them to pound sand and cursed all orgs for several years.  I was gun shy and IF others had a similar experience I can see why they would hold back.  One of this forums members called out that this could be a fundraising ruse by a little known organization.

I do also agree snake that what is $100? A couple boxes of shells? A half dozen arrows? How can we not support that? My responce is to make them a challenge to go big when they are proven wrong.


In several of the WWC posts they ask for us sportsmen to have any other orgs we belong to support the lawsuit. The orgs I belong to are making commitments. Are you asking? Are you keeping count? I sure am.  And when my previous org fails to stand  it won't surprise me. Just make sure you let your orgs know what will happen if they don't show support.

[Special T]

This thread has a ton of information and discussion about the lawsuit and should be bumped.

I was talking too long to respond  lol

[Rainier10]

This thread has a ton of information and discussion about the lawsuit and should be bumped.

I was talking too long to respond  lol

Im just trying to keep this thread relevant while others continue to participate in a thread that really just complains about not being in VC.

[Special T]

This thread has a ton of information and discussion about the lawsuit and should be bumped.

I was talking too long to respond  lol

Im just trying to keep this thread relevant while others continue to participate in a thread that really just complains about not being in VC.

 

I'm sorry I participated in that one also. :'(

[Rainier10]

If it is something people are truly passionate about it will get traction. This thread is a prime example. Over 100 replies and closing in on 8,000 views in the advocacy board.

The other thread that started in the VC had mod reports filed on it, political shots taken and completely derailed before the halfway point of the first page.

Just nice to see one stay on track for the most part.

I hope everyone is donating to WWC and sharing the links to the WWC with friends as well as sharing a link to this thread.

[bearpaw]

I just joined, been going to do it for a while but kept forgetting to look up their web page and actually do it.

Here's the link if anyone else wants to join:  https://www.w4wc.org/membership.html

[Rainier10]

Bumping to keep this in recent topics for the morning crowd. Lots of great information in this thread.

[pianoman9701]

The Booth at the show is right under the Aisle 300 sign in the Showplex. Get a raffle ticket to win one of four nice firearms. Only 300 tickets will be sold. Also, there's a discount of $10 off the basic membership - $15 only at the show. Get both!

[jeffitz]

Joined WWC and forwarded this to 8 friends to try and get more support - this is exciting to see !

[wadu1]

Renewed my associate membership on Wednesday at the Sportsman's Show. Purchased raffle ticket from pianoman9701 on Thursday.