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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2023, 10:19:06 PM »
Some of these (ignorant) commissioners continue to try and make a case that if we don't have perfect information on bear numbers it's possible the populations are actually decreasing...clearly trying to make a case that the sky could be falling and we might not know.  The WDFW staff point to their various metrics and nothing concerning jumps out re: declines. Yet, we have extremely clear data on whats going on with Blue Mountains elk...and the contribution of predators...the hypocrisy, while not at all surprising, is absurd.     

 They aren't ignorant... they know EXACTLY what they are doing, have a plan and are putting it into play.... when predator numbers are to high and ungulate numbers are too low... hunting in Washington is over
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2023, 01:57:56 AM »
The goal is to be able to say the commission is so dysfunctional that it should be eliminated and put directly under the govenor.
That is a logical conclusion, It would explain some of the goofs on the Commission. If I wanted a dysfunctional Commission I would put someone like Barbra Baker or Lorna Smith in charge.  :DOH:
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2023, 11:38:07 AM »
The goal is to be able to say the commission is so dysfunctional that it should be eliminated and put directly under the govenor.
That is a logical conclusion, It would explain some of the goofs on the Commission. If I wanted a dysfunctional Commission I would put someone like Barbra Baker or Lorna Smith in charge.  :DOH:

First off Baker is wicked smart. Lawyer, measured speaking, patience, strategist. Smith is a useful loud mouth that isn't too bright. I see good cop bad cop game played when I hear about those 2 having meetings with staff. Bakers term should be up, but I'll bet she will stay on long enough to force some Anti hunting change before she leaves. I'll wager she still has a goal or 2 that haven't been completed.
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2023, 04:57:54 PM »
And as soon as they end hunting in this state they will be one step closer to taking our guns, its a long game they are trying to play
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2023, 06:29:23 PM »
And as soon as they end hunting in this state they will be one step closer to taking our guns, its a long game they are trying to play

This is the real answer. Whittle away at a single reason somebody would own a firearm and you lower the number of people willing to defend our right to bear arms for any reason
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2023, 06:52:10 PM »
And as soon as they end hunting in this state they will be one step closer to taking our guns, its a long game they are trying to play

This is the real answer. Whittle away at a single reason somebody would own a firearm and you lower the number of people willing to defend our right to bear arms for any reason
  :yeah :yeah:     


I have thought this for a long time. Explains the obsession on protecting predators at the expense of most other wildlife. :












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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2023, 07:05:55 PM »
And as soon as they end hunting in this state they will be one step closer to taking our guns, its a long game they are trying to play

This is the real answer. Whittle away at a single reason somebody would own a firearm and you lower the number of people willing to defend our right to bear arms for any reason
  :yeah :yeah:     


I have thought this for a long time. Explains the obsession on protecting predators at the expense of most other wildlife. :

Makes me question where the heck is RMEF,safari club, 2A foundation and the NRA ?
Ive been a member of all of them at one time or another and current in couple
Crickets ???
What the heck ?
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2023, 06:19:29 AM »
You ever contacted them and asked them why they are not more involved in Wa state?
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2023, 07:25:23 AM »
You ever contacted them and asked them why they are not more involved in Wa state?

I have
They acknowledge and then ask for more money to keep fighting
Same old song
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2023, 07:44:16 AM »
So they pour a ton of money into WA only to get whooped by a ballot initiative that passes easily with a couple rich guys kicking in a very modest amount.  It's where we are at.  I think the national players cut their loss and move on.

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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2023, 09:52:50 AM »
So they pour a ton of money into WA only to get whooped by a ballot initiative that passes easily with a couple rich guys kicking in a very modest amount.  It's where we are at.  I think the national players cut their loss and move on.

How much money have they spent in WA? "Pour" implies a lot but isnt an actual number.
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2023, 10:29:31 AM »
The whole problem boils down the to the party in power in Washington. It's democrat states with issues trying to ban hunting. End of story!
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2023, 10:31:29 AM »
 :yeah:

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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2023, 11:14:01 AM »
One thing that may help.

Is we have no biologist, research studys,or any kind of factual evidence that is on hunters side. On what's going on.
These wildlife.orgs all have biologists and animal rights people on there side.
Hunters would be better off dumping money on private independent research,Then elections.
Just my opinion.
Example would be , predator/prey study done.
They did use a lot of camera trap in part of the study.
There was some equation,about ungulate/ how long before a predator was caught on cam.
I have many cams that show a deer,in only a minute cougar right on its tracks.
Not sure why hunters using cams for scouting, can't also be used as " research".
Hunters probably set more cam traps than anyone else.
I always think outside the box.
It's just a shame that hunters can't get along enough to coordinate a project on that level.

We will never win on the political/election level.(my opinion)
We could win with on the ground evidence.
Look at the wildlife.org ,they have a 90 page report with there petition.
Hunters need a report with our petition,with actual evidence, photos,ect. That supports us.
You have to be proactive,and copy what they are doing to us.
Hunters probably have more evidence of what's really going on.
Then any wildlife.org.
Right on there cell phone,sitting in there pocket,more evidence.
Yet we can't put together a report against this BS.
Gotta get our stuff together,ship is sinking.


« Last Edit: December 13, 2023, 12:39:44 PM by hunter399 »
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Re: WFWD Report on Courgars and Bears
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2023, 12:58:05 PM »
And as soon as they end hunting in this state they will be one step closer to taking our guns, its a long game they are trying to play

This is the real answer. Whittle away at a single reason somebody would own a firearm and you lower the number of people willing to defend our right to bear arms for any reason
  :yeah :yeah:     


I have thought this for a long time. Explains the obsession on protecting predators at the expense of most other wildlife. :

Makes me question where the heck is RMEF,safari club, 2A foundation and the NRA ?
Ive been a member of all of them at one time or another and current in couple
Crickets ???
What the heck ?
SCI chapters in this state are all members of Washingtonians for Wildlife Conservation. Despite the snow on the pass most chapters attended our recent board meeting where we talked about this subject, and others pertaining to the attacks on hunting. I know it s frustrating that every organization isn't rattling sabers at the comission. Our president has made bold statements about the makeup of the comission. Not all work that is being done in public, just like the Anti hunting crowd.

Our member organizations are the core of our organization. Thier representatives often do the heavy lifting. We can always use members that want to be active, and we have some things in the works to make a difference. If sportsmen want to be active and learn how the system works volunteer. Many of the individuals from our member groups wanted to make a bigger difference and became involved by banding together. Learning and sharing how the sausage is made. If you belong to a trap, archery, or sportsmen club of any kind reach out to us.
"Wildlife thrives today because of regulated sport hunting, not in spite of it."

 


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