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HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« on: February 20, 2024, 04:25:06 PM »
Anyone know anything about this one? Got an email saying it was dropped today by Rep Wilcox. Interesting, if it has any legs. Maybe it's just a statement. Wilcox must have cahones, anyway.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2434&Year=2023&Initiative=false
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2024, 04:38:46 PM »
Itís bad legislation IMO, it is exactly what the anti hunters want; the Claire Loebs Davis  from Washington Wildlife First has stated this on a Podcast. It would give them a direct line to the Governor and there is nothing stopping who ever is in the governors mansion from firing the WDFW director and and putting what ever anti hunter in the place of our current pro hunting director. It doesnít fix anything.

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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2024, 06:40:39 PM »
Itís bad legislation IMO, it is exactly what the anti hunters want; the Claire Loebs Davis  from Washington Wildlife First has stated this on a Podcast. It would give them a direct line to the Governor and there is nothing stopping who ever is in the governors mansion from firing the WDFW director and and putting what ever anti hunter in the place of our current pro hunting director. It doesnít fix anything.

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Way, way , back we had this it was a train wreck.
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2024, 07:12:52 PM »
Itís bad legislation IMO, it is exactly what the anti hunters want; the Claire Loebs Davis  from Washington Wildlife First has stated this on a Podcast. It would give them a direct line to the Governor and there is nothing stopping who ever is in the governors mansion from firing the WDFW director and and putting what ever anti hunter in the place of our current pro hunting director. It doesnít fix anything.

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Way, way , back we had this it was a train wreck.
Are you talking pre merger? Can you explain train wreck?

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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2024, 07:16:10 PM »
This was a excellent piece of legislation. It was purely symbolic but sent a clear message.  If the commission continues it needs balanced.

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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2024, 10:10:28 PM »
As bad as it is now, I think this would have made it much worse. It just about would end meaningful public input. Even now a showing by the public for or against an item makes the Commission notice. I'm not sure how that would be possible without Commission meetings and public testimony.
Seems like the Director would have dictatorial powers.
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2024, 10:36:52 PM »
Itís bad legislation IMO, it is exactly what the anti hunters want; the Claire Loebs Davis  from Washington Wildlife First has stated this on a Podcast. It would give them a direct line to the Governor and there is nothing stopping who ever is in the governors mansion from firing the WDFW director and and putting what ever anti hunter in the place of our current pro hunting director. It doesnít fix anything.

 :yeah:


Way, way , back we had this it was a train wreck.
Are you talking pre merger? Can you explain train wreck?

Sorry Tbar donít remember the year. I remember no one liked it. Back when it was Dept of Game I think.
1960 to 1970s ?

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/administration/history-mission

« Last Edit: February 20, 2024, 10:45:37 PM by ghosthunter »
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2024, 11:06:24 PM »
As bad as it is now, I think this would have made it much worse. It just about would end meaningful public input. Even now a showing by the public for or against an item makes the Commission notice. I'm not sure how that would be possible without Commission meetings and public testimony.
Seems like the Director would have dictatorial powers.
It was symbolic.

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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2024, 12:26:51 AM »
As bad as it is now, I think this would have made it much worse. It just about would end meaningful public input. Even now a showing by the public for or against an item makes the Commission notice. I'm not sure how that would be possible without Commission meetings and public testimony.
Seems like the Director would have dictatorial powers.
It was symbolic.
I get that but Bills have a habit of getting recycled in the next session. I hope the Commission takes a hint from the Bill but I bet they won't.
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2024, 04:45:51 AM »
Hearing scheduled for today, 8am, anyone going?

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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2024, 07:30:16 AM »
This was a excellent piece of legislation. It was purely symbolic but sent a clear message.  If the commission continues it needs balanced.

This was my impression.
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2024, 07:43:20 AM »
This was a excellent piece of legislation. It was purely symbolic but sent a clear message.  If the commission continues it needs balanced.

This was my impression.

I belive Walsh even stated it didn't have much of a chance this session but meant to send a message.
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2024, 07:45:23 AM »
As bad as it is now, I think this would have made it much worse. It just about would end meaningful public input. Even now a showing by the public for or against an item makes the Commission notice. I'm not sure how that would be possible without Commission meetings and public testimony.
Seems like the Director would have dictatorial powers.
It was symbolic.
I get that but Bills have a habit of getting recycled in the next session. I hope the Commission takes a hint from the Bill but I bet they won't.
A pending threat is not bad and if we could get a director that is separated like pre merger I don't see it as being worse. I think a balanced commission is the goal but refer anyone back to the confirmation hearings. Please tell me there's a shred of concern from across the aisle.  Where is McIntyre on all of this? He has a blue collar district that is being squeezed out, we all miss Blake and Tako when it comes to legislators who care. There's public critiques of Wilcox?  We are very likely in a worse place than I previously thought.   :twocents:
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2024, 07:46:23 AM »
This was a excellent piece of legislation. It was purely symbolic but sent a clear message.  If the commission continues it needs balanced.

This was my impression.

I belive Walsh even stated it didn't have much of a chance this session but meant to send a message.

Wilcox addresses the bill here around 1:47
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Re: HB 2434: Eliminate the Commission
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2024, 08:46:27 AM »
As bad as it is now, I think this would have made it much worse. It just about would end meaningful public input. Even now a showing by the public for or against an item makes the Commission notice. I'm not sure how that would be possible without Commission meetings and public testimony.
Seems like the Director would have dictatorial powers.
It was symbolic.
I get that but Bills have a habit of getting recycled in the next session. I hope the Commission takes a hint from the Bill but I bet they won't.
A pending threat is not bad and if we could get a director that is separated like pre merger I don't see it as being worse. I think a balanced commission is the goal but refer anyone back to the confirmation hearings. Please tell me there's a shred of concern from across the aisle.  Where is McIntyre on all of this? He has a blue collar district that is being squeezed out, we all miss Blake and Tako when it comes to legislators who care. There's public critiques of Wilcox?  We are very likely in a worse place than I previously thought.   :twocents:

The antis lobbied inslee for the appointments, what do you think theyíre going to do if they want a certain director that isnít following their science? They have enough democrats to pass what ever they want, just look at a lot of the garbage we have because of it; gun control and the highest gas tax in the nation! The commission needs reformed not eliminated. Like I said originally this is bad legislation. Go look up what the antis want and it is exactly what you are advocating.

 


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