Eight States Plan to Ban the Sale of Gas-Powered Vehicles as Joe Biden Issues Ne

[gee_unit360]

A trip from Arlington to Spokane in my car would require a 12 minute stop in Moses Lake at the Tesla charging station.  Or, I could go Highway 9 and stop for the same time, there are a couple of stops I could chose from.  I'm not sure about backroads, never drove to Spokane on surface streets.

I used to fill up with gas twice a month, so 24 times a year (not including road trips).  Now, I never have to stop at a station to charge except for road trips.  If I spent 15 minutes 24 times a month, that's 360 minutes a year I'm saving - actually more than that due to having to wait in line often at Costco or on the res.  If I have to stop for 12 minutes once or twice a year during a road trip, I'm still way better off.  It's something I didn't realize until I bought an EV, the big inconvenience is having to wait in line for gas every payday and search around to get the best prices and have the right app or whatever you need to get the discount.

Electricity is a regulated utility, they can't simply jack rates up, it is the cost of production plus a small markup for the utility.  The cost of production has actually been decreasing due to better technology and competition.  Our electric rates went down this year.

This is in stark contrast to gas which is priced at whatever our friends in Iran, Saudi and Russia think we should pay.

Regarding charging stations, Tesla already built 2,200 in the US and there are about 50,000 other private stations.  I would hope Uncle Sam stays out of that, the ones they funded have been a disaster for sure.  It's the great thing about capitalism, if there is a customer wanting to buy something, somebody will figure out a way to sell it to them.  It's a pretty good markup, about 35 cents retail vs maybe 7 wholesale and you have zero employees or buildings to worry about.

The things I was worried about with an EV are actually non-issues while other things were a surprise, it's been an interesting experience very different from what I expected.  Something like 93% of first time EV owners are happy with their decision and 76% say they won't buy a gas car.  We have a gas truck and the electric car and I can say I wouldn't consider a gas car and by the time my gas truck is ready for replacement I would be extremely surprised if I bought another gas one, but we'll see if someone makes a reasonable electric truck by then.  Today, an electric car and gas truck couldn't be a better combo for our family.

There isn’t enough electricity for everyone to drive EV’s. That’s it.

[ducks4days]

A trip from Arlington to Spokane in my car would require a 12 minute stop in Moses Lake at the Tesla charging station.  Or, I could go Highway 9 and stop for the same time, there are a couple of stops I could chose from.  I'm not sure about backroads, never drove to Spokane on surface streets.

I used to fill up with gas twice a month, so 24 times a year (not including road trips).  Now, I never have to stop at a station to charge except for road trips.  If I spent 15 minutes 24 times a month, that's 360 minutes a year I'm saving - actually more than that due to having to wait in line often at Costco or on the res.  If I have to stop for 12 minutes once or twice a year during a road trip, I'm still way better off.  It's something I didn't realize until I bought an EV, the big inconvenience is having to wait in line for gas every payday and search around to get the best prices and have the right app or whatever you need to get the discount.

Electricity is a regulated utility, they can't simply jack rates up, it is the cost of production plus a small markup for the utility.  The cost of production has actually been decreasing due to better technology and competition.  Our electric rates went down this year.

This is in stark contrast to gas which is priced at whatever our friends in Iran, Saudi and Russia think we should pay.

Regarding charging stations, Tesla already built 2,200 in the US and there are about 50,000 other private stations.  I would hope Uncle Sam stays out of that, the ones they funded have been a disaster for sure.  It's the great thing about capitalism, if there is a customer wanting to buy something, somebody will figure out a way to sell it to them.  It's a pretty good markup, about 35 cents retail vs maybe 7 wholesale and you have zero employees or buildings to worry about.

The things I was worried about with an EV are actually non-issues while other things were a surprise, it's been an interesting experience very different from what I expected.  Something like 93% of first time EV owners are happy with their decision and 76% say they won't buy a gas car.  We have a gas truck and the electric car and I can say I wouldn't consider a gas car and by the time my gas truck is ready for replacement I would be extremely surprised if I bought another gas one, but we'll see if someone makes a reasonable electric truck by then.  Today, an electric car and gas truck couldn't be a better combo for our family.

There isn’t enough electricity for everyone to drive EV’s. That’s it.

Which is why electrical infrastructure is being expanded. In 1910 there wasnt enough oil production for everyone to drive combustion cars instead of horses. Then there was, because we looked more than a week into the future and expanded petroleum drilling and refinement. There's a ton of legitimate issues with this but that is not even close to a good one.

[Stein]

A trip from Arlington to Spokane in my car would require a 12 minute stop in Moses Lake at the Tesla charging station.  Or, I could go Highway 9 and stop for the same time, there are a couple of stops I could chose from.  I'm not sure about backroads, never drove to Spokane on surface streets.

I used to fill up with gas twice a month, so 24 times a year (not including road trips).  Now, I never have to stop at a station to charge except for road trips.  If I spent 15 minutes 24 times a month, that's 360 minutes a year I'm saving - actually more than that due to having to wait in line often at Costco or on the res.  If I have to stop for 12 minutes once or twice a year during a road trip, I'm still way better off.  It's something I didn't realize until I bought an EV, the big inconvenience is having to wait in line for gas every payday and search around to get the best prices and have the right app or whatever you need to get the discount.

Electricity is a regulated utility, they can't simply jack rates up, it is the cost of production plus a small markup for the utility.  The cost of production has actually been decreasing due to better technology and competition.  Our electric rates went down this year.

This is in stark contrast to gas which is priced at whatever our friends in Iran, Saudi and Russia think we should pay.

Regarding charging stations, Tesla already built 2,200 in the US and there are about 50,000 other private stations.  I would hope Uncle Sam stays out of that, the ones they funded have been a disaster for sure.  It's the great thing about capitalism, if there is a customer wanting to buy something, somebody will figure out a way to sell it to them.  It's a pretty good markup, about 35 cents retail vs maybe 7 wholesale and you have zero employees or buildings to worry about.

The things I was worried about with an EV are actually non-issues while other things were a surprise, it's been an interesting experience very different from what I expected.  Something like 93% of first time EV owners are happy with their decision and 76% say they won't buy a gas car.  We have a gas truck and the electric car and I can say I wouldn't consider a gas car and by the time my gas truck is ready for replacement I would be extremely surprised if I bought another gas one, but we'll see if someone makes a reasonable electric truck by then.  Today, an electric car and gas truck couldn't be a better combo for our family.

There isn’t enough electricity for everyone to drive EV’s. That’s it.

There isn't enough gas for everyone to drive gas vehicles either.  Say today, 3.3 million EVs were sidelined and replaced with gas vehicles.  3.3 million more drivers go tomorrow to fill up with 15 gallons each.  Gas stations would be empty and prices would soar, people would be stranded.

It's a ridiculous argument, just like saying we can build all the homes, apartments, businesses, data centers and whatever just fine but the EV will end civilization and crash the power grid.

Meta used 11.5 terrawatt hours in 2022.  That's about the same as what is needed to charge all the electric vehicles on the road in the US today.  They are growing at 20+% a year and nobody seems to be concerned about that.  AI companies, bitcoin mining, second and third homes, all good.

My EV charges off a 40A breaker, same load as an air conditioner and it runs at night when the grid doesn't even need extra capacity to charge it.  They are using power that had nowhere to go and was essentially wasted capacity.  If we charged EVs at night, we could add probably 20 million more (over 6x what we have today) without adding an extra watt of generation capacity.

It's almost like we've made something as basic as electricity a partisan issue.  Somehow we've landed in wierdoville where the left are the ones arguing to buy American cars powered with American energy from a company started by the guy that is trying to save the world from the far left.

[hughjorgan]

I think you’re over simplifying EVs. Your Tesla works great for you in the urban setting you live, that’s awesome but a good number of folks across this state and others don’t live in the cities and urban areas where an EV can work fine for many folks. EVs don’t work very well in rural areas at all. The solution isn’t a one size fits all(like Olympia likes to push on all Washingtonians with total disregard for how folks live outside the Puget Sound). You stated you only filled up your gas rigs twice a month, I fill up my commuter car three times a week just for work, I drive 40k plus miles a year. EVs aren’t practical for the vast majority of folk. Even with all the big subsidies to try and socially engineer a behavior the citizens are soundly rejecting the governments try at changing it. Petroleum is here to stay and if it is replaced it will be done by natural gas IMO.

[Stein]

I'm fully in agreement that uncle sam shouldn't be calling the shots, no argument on that.  We can really move the needle with a fairly small percentage shift to electric.  20% would change the game with our friends in the middle east.

The thing about rural is that you get 250-300 miles of range and can leave your house fully charged every morning.  There are people that drive further than that in a personal vehicle daily, but not a high percentage.  Those that do, even fewer don't drive by a charger.  Probably 95% of the people drive less than that daily or drive by a charging station.  The more miles you drive a day, the more they make sense financially.

It's one thing I didn't consider, unlike a gas car, I can leave my house full every day.  It seems obvious but until I experienced it I didn't realize how inconvenient it is to have to fill up gas cars all the time.

I would guess apartment dwellers are much more challenging than rural.  They don't have the ability to install their own personal charger and need to rely on something else which puts you back similar to gas.  The rancher I know where I hunt in MT just bought an EV for their commuter car, it's easier to charge at home than to drive to the one gas station that isn't in the right direction most of the time.  They are about 30 miles from the nearest town that has one gas station.  Any other direction they are probably 50-100 miles from town.

Tesla will be the best selling car/crossover SUV in the US next year no doubt, #2 this year.  The notion that people are rejecting them doesn't seem to jive with sales figures.  When I picked mine up, they were delivering 25-30 a day on average at the location I bought mine from.

[deerlick]

i cant wait til all these tesla's start having intermittent electrical problems and people try and fix them. already hard enough for people to figure out simple issues on gas powered cars. pretty cool 80k throw away cars, enjoy.

What is more complex about an electric motor, compared to an internal combustion engine?

And what data do have that supports the claim that EV's are throwaway cars?

I'm not talking about a motor problem, who is going to fix a tesla when the door locks or power windows etc quit working, what shop are they going to end up at. I'd assume tesla only for the most part as very few repair shops are going to touch them. Who is going to replace the batteries on a car that end up being crazy expensive when they were oit. At that point most tesla owners will be going for a new one, trading it in for pennies. All while the toyota tacoma they could have bought and drive for 15 years actually has a resale value when they finally get bored of it and get a new one. The wiring systems on cars are already complex enough and now yiu throw in all the crap on a tesla and think it will last or parts will be available. We run into parts that are obsolete from dealers after 10 years all the time, now you have a car as tech as your cell phone, don't see many fixed mostly replaced. That's my opinion, it shouldn't take long to prove true

[hughjorgan]

Tesla business model is better than the other auto makers who didn’t really have the foresight like Tesla and put charging stations in place. I believe I remember reading other auto makers cut a deal to use Teslas chargers.

The rejection of electric I’m referring to has been in the news about ford and GM shutting down their production lines of EVs because sales are low. There was a big push from the Biden administration when he took office and it really never gained traction from what I read.

You make a lot of good points for owning one. Who knows maybe you’re correct on your take of the market. Alls I know is EVs seem to have a niche and are a luxury item as of right now and most middle class people can’t afford them. But to be fair I don’t think most people can afford the gas counter parts either.

[bearpaw]

Even an idiot can see the country does not have the infrastructure! This could mostly be a stock market play, all the liberal congress members invest in EV related stocks, Biden announces fossil fuel ban, everyone with EV related stocks has windfall profits! Pretty simple formula really!

[bearpaw]

Eight States Plan to Ban the Sale of Gas-Powered Vehicles as Joe Biden Issues New Rules to Begin Killing Them Off

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/eight-states-plan-ban-sale-gas-powered-vehicles/

Go figure..

The eight states that have pledged to force their constituents to drive environmentally damaging electric vehicles are California, Rhode Island, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Washington. The District of Columbia has also signed off.

[trophyhunt]

Yet another reason for democrats to smack themselves in the face. 

[WAcoueshunter]

Even an idiot can see the country does not have the infrastructure! This could mostly be a stock market play, all the liberal congress members invest in EV related stocks, Biden announces fossil fuel ban, everyone with EV related stocks has windfall profits! Pretty simple formula really!

So are you getting in on the easy profits?

[bearpaw]

Even an idiot can see the country does not have the infrastructure! This could mostly be a stock market play, all the liberal congress members invest in EV related stocks, Biden announces fossil fuel ban, everyone with EV related stocks has windfall profits! Pretty simple formula really!

So are you getting in on the easy profits?

No, I didn't know in advance like some people did!

[trophyhunt]

Even an idiot can see the country does not have the infrastructure! This could mostly be a stock market play, all the liberal congress members invest in EV related stocks, Biden announces fossil fuel ban, everyone with EV related stocks has windfall profits! Pretty simple formula really!

So are you getting in on the easy profits?

No, I didn't know in advance like some people did!

bingo!!