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Bergara vs fierce
« on: December 05, 2024, 09:28:49 PM »
I am in the market for a new rifle and the fierce carbon rogue is what I was set on until I read into them more and have hardly found good reviews. Instead I have been thinking about getting the Bergara ridge carbon wilderness and putting a carbon stock on it. Does anybody have any experience with either that would lean me one way or the other?

If anyone has any other suggestions feel free to tell me. Looking for lighter weight, mid to close range in 7 prc. And no I don’t want to build a $4000 custom rifle, would like to stay 2k or below

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2024, 09:34:23 PM »
i would look into seekins Havak PH2 i think they are around 1800.

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2024, 09:36:46 PM »
Of the two....Bergara would get the nod.  That said, I think for the money you talking....there are a lot better choices out there. 

1.  Savage ultralite
2.  Weatherby 307 alpine CT
3.  Weatherby mark V back country carbon
4.  Seekins pro hunter (non carbon but super nice rifles and lite)
5.  Springfield waypoint (newer production hoping they fixed the firing pin issue)

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2024, 10:39:15 PM »
Seekins PH2.  I know it’s not the two brands you’re asking about, just trying to save you from a mistake.  Seekins makes amazing rifles.

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2024, 04:53:27 AM »
Seekins PH2.  I know it’s not the two brands you’re asking about, just trying to save you from a mistake.  Seekins makes amazing rifles.

The only thing about the Seekins that I don’t like is that it’s a 26” barrel. That’s a long stick to hike around timber with

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2024, 06:10:19 AM »
Of the two....Bergara would get the nod.  That said, I think for the money you talking....there are a lot better choices out there. 

1.  Savage ultralite
2.  Weatherby 307 alpine CT
3.  Weatherby mark V back country carbon
4.  Seekins pro hunter (non carbon but super nice rifles and lite)
5.  Springfield waypoint (newer production hoping they fixed the firing pin issue)

I appreciate the input. Is there anything about the Bergara you don’t like?

I personally think the savage is super ugly and that really keeps me away from it haha the other one I have looked a lot at is the weatherby 307 ct

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2024, 06:58:14 AM »
Of the two....Bergara would get the nod.  That said, I think for the money you talking....there are a lot better choices out there. 

1.  Savage ultralite
2.  Weatherby 307 alpine CT
3.  Weatherby mark V back country carbon
4.  Seekins pro hunter (non carbon but super nice rifles and lite)
5.  Springfield waypoint (newer production hoping they fixed the firing pin issue)

I appreciate the input. Is there anything about the Bergara you don’t like?

I personally think the savage is super ugly and that really keeps me away from it haha the other one I have looked a lot at is the weatherby 307 ct

I have nothing against Bergara rifles.  I personally would not buy the bergara and then place it in another stock to shed weight (assuming that is why you would swap stocks).....sole reason being added price.  If I was going to do that, I would just buy one of the above.   I'm a savage fan, so I am a little biased.  I own multiple savages and with my handloads, they all shoot sub MOA and most consistently print half or better MOA groups.  That said, I know a lot of factory rifles....including Bergara.....can do the same. 

Based on the limited info in your original post, it looks like you are shopping for a mountain rifle that is light and easy to pack.  The list above would be my top choices for that purpose. 

What caliber?  What barrel length are you looking for?  What is the purpose?  Are you putting a can on it?.....if so, maybe the new sig cross trax in .308 with a can.  That would be a sweet set up.  Savage, Bergara and Weatherby all make chassis rifles with collapsible stocks with short barrels that would be great mountain rifles. 


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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2024, 07:52:42 AM »
I own both the ultralite and the ph2. Both are phenomenal rifles and both are better shooters than I am capable of keeping up with. That savage is a dream to carry, even with a can on the end.

No personal experience with bergara  or fierce.

Good luck, rifle shopping sure is fun!


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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2024, 08:19:49 AM »
Of the two....Bergara would get the nod.  That said, I think for the money you talking....there are a lot better choices out there. 

1.  Savage ultralite
2.  Weatherby 307 alpine CT
3.  Weatherby mark V back country carbon
4.  Seekins pro hunter (non carbon but super nice rifles and lite)
5.  Springfield waypoint (newer production hoping they fixed the firing pin issue)

I appreciate the input. Is there anything about the Bergara you don’t like?

I personally think the savage is super ugly and that really keeps me away from it haha the other one I have looked a lot at is the weatherby 307 ct

I have nothing against Bergara rifles.  I personally would not buy the bergara and then place it in another stock to shed weight (assuming that is why you would swap stocks).....sole reason being added price.  If I was going to do that, I would just buy one of the above.   I'm a savage fan, so I am a little biased.  I own multiple savages and with my handloads, they all shoot sub MOA and most consistently print half or better MOA groups.  That said, I know a lot of factory rifles....including Bergara.....can do the same. 

Based on the limited info in your original post, it looks like you are shopping for a mountain rifle that is light and easy to pack.  The list above would be my top choices for that purpose. 

What caliber?  What barrel length are you looking for?  What is the purpose?  Are you putting a can on it?.....if so, maybe the new sig cross trax in .308 with a can.  That would be a sweet set up.  Savage, Bergara and Weatherby all make chassis rifles with collapsible stocks with short barrels that would be great mountain rifles.

I also own a savage in 6.5 cm and it is a great shooting rifle even with the flimsy factory stock but it is my wife’s deer rifle. I am looking for a 7 prc, 22-24” barrel(22 preferably) no can just a light weight, west side deer/elk mountain hunter with a more sporter style stock. 7mm is the one of only calibers I do not own. I have another rem700 in 6.5 that I plan on putting a folding xlr chassis on for backcountry /backpack hunting

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2024, 08:21:00 AM »
I own both the ultralite and the ph2. Both are phenomenal rifles and both are better shooters than I am capable of keeping up with. That savage is a dream to carry, even with a can on the end.

No personal experience with bergara  or fierce.

Good luck, rifle shopping sure is fun!

Thanks for the input!

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2024, 08:21:22 AM »
I would look at the Seekins. Solid shooters as stated! I guarantee you won’t find a better warranty from any other manufacturer
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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2024, 08:30:11 AM »
Seekins PH2.  I know it’s not the two brands you’re asking about, just trying to save you from a mistake.  Seekins makes amazing rifles.

The only thing about the Seekins that I don’t like is that it’s a 26” barrel. That’s a long stick to hike around timber with

The Element model has a 22in barrel.  I went that route, its nice having a lightweight rifle and can shoot farther than I am willing to try.

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2024, 08:31:33 AM »
Fierce can be a lot of rifle for the money, or they can be garbage. Seems about 50/50 which one you get. Their CS appears to be doing a fairly decent job at the moment of making it right when guys do get a dud, have a couple buddies that have recently had to use their warranties. That being said, I personally would never give Fierce a dime of my money because I don't like what the owner stands for.

Don't know anything about Bergaras, if Seekins would put a shorter barrel on their PH2's that would be my vote sub 2k but the long actions are a tad on the long and heavy side for a mid range hunting rifle. I've owned 2 savages in my life and they both had major QC issues, I'll never own another. If I were wanting a sub 2k lightweight 7prc I'd buy a Tikka and have it re-barreled over any of the other mentioned options on here, but that's just one idiot's opinion  :twocents:

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2024, 08:45:04 AM »
Why do folks want short barrels on a 7 PRC?  Anything less than 24" and you are leaving velocity on the table.  24-26" with 26 being preferrable in my humble opinion.  The 7 prc is getting bad reviews for having anemic velocities at best.....this is partially due to overestimated velocities by Hornady factory ammo and also because all the rifle manufacturers are making these rifles with 20-22" barrels (I'm assuming because so many people hunt suppressed now days).  If I'm buying a magnum rifle, I want speed.....otherwise you are better off just buying a 7-08. 

If I was hell bent on a 20-22" 7prc....I would be shooting light weight mono's to pick up speed.  This is a double edged sword though and I guess to each their own. 

But I digress.....   :chuckle: :chuckle: 

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Re: Bergara vs fierce
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2024, 09:52:09 AM »
Why do folks want short barrels on a 7 PRC?  Anything less than 24" and you are leaving velocity on the table.  24-26" with 26 being preferrable in my humble opinion.  The 7 prc is getting bad reviews for having anemic velocities at best.....this is partially due to overestimated velocities by Hornady factory ammo and also because all the rifle manufacturers are making these rifles with 20-22" barrels (I'm assuming because so many people hunt suppressed now days).  If I'm buying a magnum rifle, I want speed.....otherwise you are better off just buying a 7-08. 

If I was hell bent on a 20-22" 7prc....I would be shooting light weight mono's to pick up speed.  This is a double edged sword though and I guess to each their own. 

But I digress.....   :chuckle: :chuckle:

Why would anybody want 1000yd+ capability in a handy, lightweight sub 40" rifle?  :chuckle:

 


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