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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2025, 12:32:36 PM »
Personaly beleive ths is pure and simple just a money issue. The app fees and pre licensesing requirements will be extremely lucrative. It has nothing to do with catering to the lazy or placating non resident complaints about the current system. All the regulars who've been buying nonresident licenses will fork out the additional  money to apply, and all those who couldn't get a license will now be forking.out.the money to apply. This is way more of a business decision than a management decision..Get used to it,  more and more of the game rich western states are going to be making these type of business moves.
 

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2025, 12:40:45 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2025, 12:56:02 PM »
Guess you can cuss about hunting in Washington, but Idaho, Wyoming, Montana are not even close to being in Washingtons league for fishing opportunities. I've fished all of em, and wouldn't even try to compare them.


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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2025, 01:10:59 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
I'd love to hear some elaboration on that theory.  With tags Quotas for NR in both those states I don't see how there could be a threat  :dunno: even if every NR tag went to a WA resident, there's still the same number of NR hunting those states. Or the other way around where not a single WA resident gets a NR tag in those states. There's still the same number of NR hunting that state.

This leads back to the issue of a majority of residents in ID and other states have zero clue about how these draws and Quotas work. Ive been listening to the same points of contention from residents in all these states several decades now and they all stem from lack of understanding.  Guarantee if you ask almost any ID resident how they feel about the ever growing NR hunting pressure they'd go on and on about how it's out of control and there's just getting to be too many.  Rare would be the guy that would say " what are you talking about there's been roughly the same amount of NR tags for 30 years."
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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2025, 01:11:30 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2025, 01:16:05 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Unbelievable that the state next door to us is the 2nd most talked about state on the forum?

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2025, 01:20:51 PM »
I'm still excited they didnt pick up a point system.  Thats the original money grab.     The other was OIL versus elk deer.  I wonder if they will change that

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2025, 01:25:37 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Unbelievable that the state next door to us is the 2nd most talked about state on the forum?
oh you mean in the out of state hunting section of the forum? how odd  :chuckle:

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2025, 01:57:05 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
I'd love to hear some elaboration on that theory.  With tags Quotas for NR in both those states I don't see how there could be a threat  :dunno: even if every NR tag went to a WA resident, there's still the same number of NR hunting those states. Or the other way around where not a single WA resident gets a NR tag in those states. There's still the same number of NR hunting that state.

This leads back to the issue of a majority of residents in ID and other states have zero clue about how these draws and Quotas work. Ive been listening to the same points of contention from residents in all these states several decades now and they all stem from lack of understanding.  Guarantee if you ask almost any ID resident how they feel about the ever growing NR hunting pressure they'd go on and on about how it's out of control and there's just getting to be too many.  Rare would be the guy that would say " what are you talking about there's been roughly the same amount of NR tags for 30 years."

I think the problem to some degree is not the number so much as the individuals. Washington has the largest state population of neighboring states by far. It also has the most left leaning politics, and has been exposed to the poorest game management techniques. As I said, I’m not trying to speak ill of others, but of the non resident states that are most likely to buy tags in Idaho, you’d prefer for the demographic to be that of people with similar mindsets, morals, views etc…  Not to mention individuals who have been under the strictest/poorest conditions are likely to be the ones most likely to swing in the opposite direction when given the opportunity. I’m not sure if that makes sense, and I don’t feel like being long winded today lol. I just see a huge difference in personality type and mentality towards hunting both on this site and in person in comparison to what I saw and knew locally as a resident of Idaho for ~ a decade. Obviously I have zero data to back this up, just what I see in my personal experiences.

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2025, 02:03:12 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.

I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2025, 02:08:02 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.

I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.

The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2025, 02:12:01 PM »
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.


Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.

Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.

I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.

The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.

Agreed, it’s a double edge sword. I don’t like it either way haha. The real answer is we just wanted Idaho to stay the way it was. Less people moving in, less people coming to hunt and then broadcasting it so more people did it. It’s not anyone’s fault per se, it’s just the times and society. In reality though, if you’re one of the ones that lives on the border and already hunting Idaho, you might as well move on over. What we don’t want is you moving to the other areas of Idaho where you didn’t recreate before 😂

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2025, 04:09:22 PM »

Agreed, it’s a double edge sword. I don’t like it either way haha. The real answer is we just wanted Idaho to stay the way it was. Less people moving in, less people coming to hunt and then broadcasting it so more people did it. It’s not anyone’s fault per se, it’s just the times and society. In reality though, if you’re one of the ones that lives on the border and already hunting Idaho, you might as well move on over. What we don’t want is you moving to the other areas of Idaho where you didn’t recreate before 😂

Are you born and raised Idahoan? Your profile says W Wa but you seem to be speaking on behalf of Idaho residents. I'm confused how encouraging all of the state-liners who already hunt ID to move over and become residents, therefore buying more unlimited resident tags and making room for new non-residents to fill their spot in the NR quota would help the situation any? 

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2025, 04:15:32 PM »
At the rate that Idaho's winter range is filling in with houses and other development, this thread will be a moot point in a decade or so, at least for much of that state.  Pains me to say it.

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Re: Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2025, 05:00:27 PM »

Agreed, it’s a double edge sword. I don’t like it either way haha. The real answer is we just wanted Idaho to stay the way it was. Less people moving in, less people coming to hunt and then broadcasting it so more people did it. It’s not anyone’s fault per se, it’s just the times and society. In reality though, if you’re one of the ones that lives on the border and already hunting Idaho, you might as well move on over. What we don’t want is you moving to the other areas of Idaho where you didn’t recreate before 😂

Are you born and raised Idahoan? Your profile says W Wa but you seem to be speaking on behalf of Idaho residents. I'm confused how encouraging all of the state-liners who already hunt ID to move over and become residents, therefore buying more unlimited resident tags and making room for new non-residents to fill their spot in the NR quota would help the situation any?

I just relocated to Washington for my wife’s job for a couple of years. Lived in Idaho for the decade prior post military service. By no means born and raised, but lived there when you could still buy a house for $120k, and land was plentiful and cheap, before everyone started moving there.

Like someone mentioned farther up the thread, the guys that are getting tags are getting them every year, and have high levels of success. Their impacts is factored in regardless, and the economic impacts are already there, housing and cost of living have already increased. So the least y’all can do if you’re gonna play in their backyard, is help take care of it. Be a part of the fight to combat vacationers and non residents that view people’s home as a playground a few weeks a year. As most have said, the non resident tags are going to decrease or be more difficult to get in years to come. If you want a say in how it goes, actually get on the side of the fight that has a dog in it year round.

 


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