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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2025, 09:04:30 PM »
Mike Lee and his cohorts in Utah for years have been trying to do this. He's pushing hard right now because the political climate is favorable with slim majorities in the house and senate leading to lots of deal making. He is not to be trusted and I'm sure any changes he might make will be cosmetic lip service.  Can't let up the pressure until this is totally dropped from the bill.
 

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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2025, 11:27:20 AM »
Senate parliamentarian killed the public land sale. Apparently it can't be included in a reconciliation bill, which is massive and makes it much harder to ever pass a bill allowing the sales.

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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2025, 11:36:36 AM »
Senate parliamentarian killed the public land sale. Apparently it can't be included in a reconciliation bill, which is massive and makes it much harder to ever pass a bill allowing the sales.

Mike Lee isn't taking the hint. He's just going to try and revise it to pass muster but still establish precedent to sidestep the existing process to divest public lands.
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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #48 on: Yesterday at 08:51:34 AM »
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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 10:42:08 AM »
Senate parliamentarian killed the public land sale. Apparently it can't be included in a reconciliation bill, which is massive and makes it much harder to ever pass a bill allowing the sales.

Senator Lee gave us lip service, he's working the midnight oil to sneak some back in.....

BLM land within 5 miles of a "population center", not defined what this constitutes.  Does a town like Tonasket Washington, population 1200 qualify as a population center? 

“WASHINGTON — Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, submitted a new version with updated restrictions of his public lands proposal.
Lee is set to present to the Senate parliamentarian on Wednesday after she ruled earlier this week that the Utah senator’s proposal to sell between 2.2 million and 3.3 million acres of federally owned land would be stripped from President Donald Trump’s massive tax package because it does not comply with the strict rules laid out in the reconciliation process.
Draft text of the provision was available before Lee’s team went to the parliamentarian on Wednesday, and it included several changes previously reported by the Deseret News.
The biggest change was the removal of U.S. Forest Service lands from being eligible for sale, significantly reducing how much land could be sold under his proposal.
The original proposal would have required 11 Western states to sell anywhere between 0.5% and 0.75% of all Bureau of Land Management and U.S. Forest Service lands in the next five years. The updated language would now only apply that requirement to lands operated by the BLM.
The legislation specifically applies to Utah as well as Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington and Wyoming.
Lee began adjusting his proposal over the weekend based on feedback from the public, his office told the Deseret News, and was nearly finalized before the parliamentarian issued the ruling. A final decision on the latest proposal is expected sometime this week.
The latest proposal would also reduce how much BLM land can be sold, requiring any sales to be within 5 miles of a population center. Lee noted he would also include language to protect lands utilized by farmers, ranchers and recreational users, although details on how he would do that are not yet clear.
Lee will also establish what he is calling “Freedom Zones” that would ensure any lands sold are used for housing projects rather than going toward massive investment groups or corporations. That was a major concern among constituents, prompting an online social media campaign against the proposal.
However, the proposal also received pushback from some of Lee’s Republican colleagues, particularly those who have long opposed selling public lands for commercial use.
Idaho Sens. Mike Crapo and Jim Risch came out against the potential sales over the weekend, telling the Deseret News separately they disagree with the original provision. It’s not clear if the updates will sway their opinion.
Both Republican Sens. Steve Daines and Tim Sheehy of Montana similarly told the Deseret News they oppose the sale of public lands. However, they both noted they were pleased to see Montana exempted from Lee’s proposal, which the Utah senator did after consulting with the pair.
However, Rep. Ryan Zinke, R-Mont., has gone even further to say he would outright oppose any reconciliation package that includes the sale of public lands, possibly putting the bill at risk in the House.”

https://www.deseret.com/politics/2025/06/24/mike-lee-changes-public-lands-proposal/





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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #50 on: Yesterday at 02:20:11 PM »
Five House Republicans say in a terse letter Thursday they will sink the entire One Big Beautiful Bill Act if it includes a provision to sell public lands. “We cannot accept the sale of federal lands that Sen. (Mike) Lee seeks,” they wrote.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2025/06/27/5-house-republicans-say-theyll-sink-big-beautiful-bill-if-land-selloff-is-in-it/
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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #51 on: Yesterday at 02:23:57 PM »
Five House Republicans say in a terse letter Thursday they will sink the entire One Big Beautiful Bill Act if it includes a provision to sell public lands. “We cannot accept the sale of federal lands that Sen. (Mike) Lee seeks,” they wrote.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2025/06/27/5-house-republicans-say-theyll-sink-big-beautiful-bill-if-land-selloff-is-in-it/

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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #52 on: Yesterday at 05:48:02 PM »
Looks like it’s going to come down to Murkowski from Alaska and they’ve thrown last minute stuff in there to make it more appealing to her.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/28/us/trump-news


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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #53 on: Yesterday at 06:51:34 PM »
Lee has withdrawn the proposal.

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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #55 on: Yesterday at 07:25:44 PM »
He'll be back. I'm sure there will be other bills come along that he'll try to attach. He wants to at least grab some blm ground, sale it at exorbitant prices to his cohorts and then say "see how much money we can make to put against the deficit.  We need to sale more".  Gotta stay alert on that snake.
 

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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #56 on: Yesterday at 08:00:38 PM »
Yes he will


A proposal to sell off millions of acres of public lands, primarily in 11 Western states, is facing resistance and has been stripped from a Senate bill. The initial proposal, spearheaded by Senator Mike Lee, aimed to mandate the sale of 2 to 3 million acres of Bureau of Land Management and Forest Service lands to help offset tax cuts. However, the proposal faced challenges due to Senate rules and strong public opposition.
Here's a breakdown of the situation:
Key Players and Proposals:
Senator Mike Lee: Initially proposed selling off public lands as part of a larger Republican reconciliation package.
Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee: Released a draft bill including the public land sale provision.
Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Forest Service: Federal agencies that manage the lands targeted for sale.
"One Big Beautiful Bill Act": The larger Senate bill that the public land sale provision was initially attached to.
Initial Proposal:
Target: 250+ million acres of BLM and Forest Service lands in 11 Western states were potentially eligible for sale.
Mandated Sales: The proposal would have required the sale of between 2.2 and 3.3 million acres within five years.
Justification: The sale was intended to help fund tax cuts.
Revisions and Resistance:
Removal of Forest Service Land:
Following concerns about the impact on recreational access and other values, the proposal was revised to remove Forest Service lands from the sale mandate.
Focus on BLM Lands Near Population Centers:
The revised proposal focused on BLM lands within five miles of population centers.
Public Outcry:
Strong opposition from environmental groups and the public, who expressed concerns about losing access to recreational areas and the potential impact on wildlife and other resources.
Senate Parliamentarian's Ruling:
The Senate parliamentarian ruled that the public land sale provision did not comply with rules for fast-tracking the bill.
Current Status and Future Outlook:
Stripped from the Reconciliation Bill:
The public land sale provision was ultimately removed from the Senate's reconciliation bill.
Senator Lee's Intention to Reintroduce:
Senator Lee has indicated he plans to reintroduce a modified version of the proposal.
Ongoing Debate:
The debate over public land sales is likely to continue, with environmental groups vowing to continue their opposition.
Key Concerns:
Loss of Recreational Access: Concerns about the potential loss of access to popular hiking, biking, fishing, and hunting areas.
Impact on Wildlife: Concerns about the impact on wildlife habitats and migration corridors.
Erosion of Public Trust: Concerns about the transfer of public lands to private ownership.
Lack of Transparency: Concerns about the lack of transparency and public input in the proposed land disposal process.
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Re: Public Land Sale Senate Budget Reconciliation
« Reply #57 on: Yesterday at 08:45:13 PM »
I posted this on the other thread, I suppose this thread is the better one.  I 100% think he’ll be back, or some other a**hole will step into his place.

 


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