thx again Big D, just got back. fished the Met, couldn't catch a thing, looked foward to tims cafe, it was closed, couldn't catch lunch either. so with daylight running out, we just stayed on the river. shoulda gone to Rufus, atleast sitting in a chair soaking power bait, tending a fire, cooking bratts and anything else that burns, woulda been more enjoyable. will keep in mind for future visit, thx again.