THEY'RE AT IT AGAIN

[ridge line]

Just ran to the local market to get some turkey cheer and as i pull into the store,past the fuel pumps i noticed a blue chev blazer getting fuel with one of those arkey racks on the back of the blazer with a cow elk straped to it.So being me i pulled up and asked him about the elk and which part of the malaga unit he had killed it. He told me that his Friend in the store had a late tag for this unit so i asked him again where he had shot the elk and he tells me that they went all the way to the south fork of the clockum to get this elk by now the bells are going off because that is a long way out of their unit and before i can say another word he tells me that his Friend is Indian @ that he has the right to harvest game year round and that i should mind my own business. :bid:I'm so po'd i light into him and start to tell him that I am a sportsman in my own words @we have rights to @ before i can say another word i look over my shoulder to see wenatchee's #1 tribal member getting in to the blazer. As they drove off i was yelling ever 4-letter word i could think of. what the hell; is this ever going to end

[JackOfAllTrades]

No, it will never never never end.

Get used to it!

[shedcrazy]

    I still say it is such bull *censored*, stay on the res...

[GooNiEs]

lol .....    im so sick of it...   i would of been so tempted to fix their tires for them......   

[Coastal_native]

Ridgeline,

What made you so angry?

A nontribal hunter hunting with a tribal hunter...
An Indian shot a cow elk...
They weren't being completely honest with you...
Or all of the above?

Just curious because I sometimes get a little intimidated by people when I'm transporting an animal on a tribal tag.  I've had some pretty scary confrontations before, so I'm always a little hesitant to come out and say that I'm a tribal hunter.

[Wazukie]

Sounds like a good way to get yourself shot to me, but I'm just a redneck from the Mountain 

[BAR C3]

Well here's a New Flash! Like it or Not, If you assault a Native because your pist they harvested an animal and your not able to hunt as they do, You will get lots of time and I will see ya in the joint. It well also be constituted as a Hate Crime so there's some more time!
Here's another Flash, you would be amazed of how many White Guys are all of sudden Native when they come to Prison. All of a sudden everyone is Cherokee. Not quite sure why the Natives don't ask for cards. The Natives are pretty much untouchable in the prisons. They don't get messed with!
So if you go to the joint for a crime against one, you will be joining them at the sweatlodge. Won't be to sweat either.
No worries Coastal!

[Skyvalhunter]

Well atleast there is a couple positives. They shot a cow, took it and didn't shoot a bull and just cut the horns off so maybe they were using the meat.

[Coastal_native]

Didn't mean to threadjack...I was just curious if it is best to be honest or to just except the fact that I'll be met with resentment and try to avoid confrontation at all cost.  I think I got my answer, thanks for your honesty Wazukie, that's why I like this Forum.

[ridge line]

I understand that tribes have certain hunting rights and grounds, however my question is why do you not have to hunt with a long bow only as the tribal ansesters did.  I also understand that tribal hunters are just trying to put food on the table, however my family can do very well with only 1 elk in our freezer a year when certain trebal members feel the need to hunt for the fun of it.  I am not trying to single anyone out I just would like someone to please help me understand why tribal hunters are allowed no rules when I have to abide by all the rules?

[carpsniperg2]

Well atleast there is a couple positives. They shot a cow, took it and didn't shoot a bull and just cut the horns off so maybe they were using the meat.

very good point! its when a guy finds a elk, that has its horns cut off and backstraps taken. then the rest of the animal is left to rot that makes me sick. there is bad apples in every bunch.  

Under stand your point coastal_native. from your posts that i have read, and the info you have shared you seem like a very nice person. Heck i would love to hunt with a good tribal member. I have been around some very bad ones. I think hunting with a tribal member that respects the animals would be a very nice change,as to what i have seen and been around. No one should judge any kind of people because of the bad ones.   i don't say much on this subject. But felt i needed to add my  

[Coastal_native]

I can write a book and still not give you the answers that will ease your frustrations...and that just makes it more frustrating.  I think a big part of it is that there is not enough resources for everybody to be completely happy and even if tribes stopped hunting alltogether there still wouldn't be.  Tribes do have rules and regs, the seasons and bag limits are just so liberal that compared to state rules it probably doesn't seem like they do.  As far as the historical hunting methods...that is a popular question.  My best (BS) answer is...because new technology has made us more effecient killers, we've now instituted bag limits and seasons in an attempt to curtail harvest...something that we didn't do historically.  So, yes hunting methods have changed, but so have game management practices.

As for the hunting for the fun of it...its not too different then living back east and being able to kill 8 deer a year, or being wealthy enough to go all over the US killing trophy deer and elk all year.  Some people do it just because they can.  Tribal designated hunter programs also make it seem like one person may be harvesting an excessive amount of animals, but its a good program.  You get to fill peoples freezers who need the meat and don't have hunters in their family, plus you get to do what you love...hunt.

There is definately some bad apples out there that take advantage of their treaty rights and break tribal game laws...my advice would be to not categorize them as tribal hunters, but poachers instead...because every hunter (tribal or nontribal) hates poachers.

Anyway, Ridgeline, I thought maybe there was something specific that made you mad about this encounter...was it a nontribal hunter with a tribal hunter?  Is wenatchee's #1 tribal member a notorious poacher?

[colockumelk]

Coastal I think what he meant by #1 tribal hunter is that there are a few Yakamas that are very notoraious for harvesting large numbers of bucks and bulls in their winter range down low where everyone can see.  Many many many people have seen them many mnay times come down from the mountains with multiple bucks or bulls in the back of their truck. They never shoot does or cows. Like you said every group has bad apples.

This is why many want to see some changes. Far too many Yakamas take advantage of the laws. We get sick of the amount of bull tags decrease every year while at the same time seeing bulls and bucks shot in their winter range and at the feed stations. Because of the Yakamas the WDFW closed two feed stations to the public to protect the bulls from the Yakamas. They also gated the mudlake and wenas to protect the deer on their winter range.

What the Yakamas do is legal by their regs. But just because its legal doesn't make it right or ethical or moral or responsible. Of course the Yaks try to deny any of this. Which is why they REFUSE to do harvest reports or help the WDFW Biologists. Because they know if they did then they couldn't deny their impact on the herds. 

Most of us are sick of paying for what the Yakamas do with stiffer and more restrictive game regs. Things need to change so the regs CANT be taken advantage of. Most Yakamas are law abiding citizens. And just like people of all races we will take whatever the law will allow. THE PROBLEM is NOT the people its their government and the current regulations.

Here's how our hunting has changed in the Colockum since 2000.
Branch Permits have been reduced by 80%
NO Antlerless Permits are issued.
Muzzle Loaders lost their late season
Muzzle Loaders lost their general season. Only one Muzzle Loader hunter a year can hunt for elk in the Coloclum
Archers went to spike only.
EVERYONE WENT to True Spike Only

Meanwhile the branch numbers have been reduced by 70%. Every year we harvest less and less with Korea restrictions while every year because of word of mouth the Yakamas kills more and more. We are doing our part we're just wondering when they'll step up take responsibility and do their part?

[ICEMAN]

I interpreted the comment as meaning NOTHING will change, that the court will not reinterpret the treaties, and that nobody is going to play cowboy and Indians again.... 

[Wazukie]

Didn't mean to threadjack...I was just curious if it is best to be honest or to just except the fact that I'll be met with resentment and try to avoid confrontation at all cost.  I think I got my answer, thanks for your honesty Wazukie, that's why I like this Forum.

Hey Coastal, my comment was directed toward the OP and anyone else who is confrontational with the Natives or anyone else in such a manner..  I have a lot of friends who are of the Nation that is most hated on this forum, I'm a Pastor and I minister to many of them,.  Its sad, just like the white folk, the few give the many a bad name. Just my observation over the years.