Rainier Archery Pro Shop?

[bullcanyon]

I'm not in the archery business, and stand absolutely nothing to gain from deturing fellow archers from going to Joe.  And I'd agree with you if it was only an opinion, but I have personnally seen bows come from his shop messed up.  I had to do what he should of done in the first place.  I don't mind helping friends out, but I shouldn't be doing what they payed for in the first place.  His shop is not the only one that I've had to fix bows that should of been tuned up right. 

So I guess if you know a good bit about archery.  You probably wouldn't have any problem with Joe.  As long as you make sure he does what is supposed to be done.  If you are a newbie.  I'd shy away.

[ICEMAN]

 

[KillBilly]

No i don't think that Joe Lilly is the only one who know anything about archery. Its just that those others that know a thing or two and have a couple years experience next to Joes decades of experience feel that they are entitled to be the most knowledgeable. Coming from someone that is actually licensed by the state as a professional,  bad mouthing someone to make yourself look better and take work away from the other is a really big no no. Not just ethically but professionally. Also it seems that some have forgot that in the world of archery most of the way things are set up, whether good or bad, is based off someones opinion. Some opinions are based off of experience and some are not. In my thirteen years or so of using Rainier Archery i have developed the opinion that Joe knows what he is doing. For those of you out there that have gone to Joe once and walked out disgruntled claiming that Joe is arrogant and knows nothing, your opinion is based off of a one time experience and then you are bad mouthing him to others. That is very unprofessional.
On top of that some are hearing the bad publicity, whether it be true or not and then they start passing it on to others. That is very damaging to someones reputation and their ability to provide for there families and employees. Thats borderline slander if you ask me.

"licensed by the state as a professional"   WTF ....Having a business license does not constitute or designate any person working for that establishment as a Professional. Where did that idea come from?

[coonhound]

No i don't think that Joe Lilly is the only one who know anything about archery. Its just that those others that know a thing or two and have a couple years experience next to Joes decades of experience feel that they are entitled to be the most knowledgeable. Coming from someone that is actually licensed by the state as a professional,  bad mouthing someone to make yourself look better and take work away from the other is a really big no no. Not just ethically but professionally. Also it seems that some have forgot that in the world of archery most of the way things are set up, whether good or bad, is based off someones opinion. Some opinions are based off of experience and some are not. In my thirteen years or so of using Rainier Archery i have developed the opinion that Joe knows what he is doing. For those of you out there that have gone to Joe once and walked out disgruntled claiming that Joe is arrogant and knows nothing, your opinion is based off of a one time experience and then you are bad mouthing him to others. That is very unprofessional.
On top of that some are hearing the bad publicity, whether it be true or not and then they start passing it on to others. That is very damaging to someones reputation and their ability to provide for there families and employees. Thats borderline slander if you ask me.

"licensed by the state as a professional"   WTF ....Having a business license does not constitute or designate any person working for that establishment as a Professional. Where did that idea come from?

Trying to make myself look better??  Does me pointing out that a I had a center serving re-done and it unraveled after about 50 shots, a nock point that was set over 1" high, fletching that fell off after one shot? 

Now lets talk about the definition of arrogance, someone that's so busy making sure you know how great he is he doesn't listen to your needs and never really answers your questions?  Someone that asks you "who screwed this up" and when you get your work done it's worse than when you brought it in?  By the way, I've been in there no less than a dozen times because it's convenient, always thinking it'll get better, well it didn't and I'm done.

I don't claim to be an expert because I do my own work, infact I love to pick the brains of someone that is willing to listen to my questions and share their knowledge.  My experience with Joe is always lacking in information but full of himself. 

In defense of Rainer, he does carry a great selection of bows and he has a couple good guys working for him...phew that was hard for me.

Try a place like Lucky Shot and 3 Rivers and you'll find a shop that will answer questions and work with you as long as you want.  They'll listen to your stories and tell a few of their own.  Shops like these aren't afraid to share info about work that will ultimately cost them a loss in work.  I am willing to drive the extra miles to enjoy the BS sessions and support you get from a shop that enjoys it's patrons as much as themselves.

My feeling is this, when you own a small business customer service has always got to be job one...

Coon

[WAPITIHUNTER]

To answer your question about being licensed as a professional I was referring to myself. I am a Professional Land Surveyor. The statement was intended to be coming from someone that is familiar with all the laws and code of ethics that pertain to a Professional in any sense of the word. Hope that clarifys.

[WAPITIHUNTER]

Oh and by the way my sister-in-law shot a gigantic bull moose on Friday on her Huckleberry hunt. I will let my brother Finnman tell the story and post the pics. Better be sitting down when you look at the pics. Its an absolute giant. Maybe offering to be a helper and packer wasn't such a good idea. I am beat.

[KillBilly]

Oh and by the way my sister-in-law shot a gigantic bull moose on Friday on her Huckleberry hunt. I will let my brother Finnman tell the story and post the pics. Better be sitting down when you look at the pics. Its an absolute giant. Maybe offering to be a helper and packer wasn't such a good idea. I am beat.

I read the whole story, great hunt and great story.

[Old Mule]

I'm shocked to see poor reviews, Ive had nothing but good thoughts about them, they bent over backwards to help me, (Just got back into Bowhunting after 20 years). Retuning my Bow every time I messed it up,(for Free)Helping me with my Shooting form, and giving me excellent advice on components, It was a breath of fresh air after dealing with Knickerbocker in the 80s.

[huntnphool]

Just food for thought on a old thread. I just bagged my moose with a bow set up by Joe at Rainier archery. It came down to the last minute of a 'Once In A Lifetime" tag and the setup worked perfect.

[MIKEXRAY]

What I have noticed from multiple shops is you get the service you ask for or the level of service the bow shop guy thinks you need. If you go in and don't know whats up at all, sadly your not going to walk out with a bow that's has as much effort into it as it should. Like wise if the shop knows the level you expect is high and you are knowledgeable, then you will walk out with a better product. I bought my bow at Rainier and didn't know as much about bows as I do now and can see now where they failed me with the service I needed. My bow was not the final product it could of been because I didn't demand it lacking the knowledge. I have owned my own business for 15 years and if I owned a bow shop, every single bow would go out the door with the same level of tuning & care no matter if I thought the customer's skills would utilize my extra work or not. I would know that this extra work would sell more bows. The customer should never dictate quality, the quality should always be at its highest regardless. I spent over a grand at Rainier but won't go back. I'll shop around and find a shop that believes in doing business as I described above, I know they exist. Mike

[bone head]

  :'(way to much crying going on in here. sounds like a bunch of old ladies yacking.... i live clear down in oregon and i like the guys at the shop and they've always done good for me.  oh and i see that "bowhuntin" is the one thats doing most of the crying in here and has stirred this pot up but in my eyes your (bowhuntin) just a cry baby thats not happy with anything....

[MIKEXRAY]

Thanks for clarifying Bone head in your modified answer, I thought about it a couple of days and was going to sign on today and tell you to find an Oregon hunting site & keep your ass down there in Oregon because I thought you were saying I was whining to much. I think my advice was right on & if you are not knowledgeable about bows then take someone who is with you to the shop. Mike

[skynyr]

Oregon? wtf? Why are you frequenting an archery shop way up here? Do you get bad service at the Oregon shops Bone?

[bowhuntin]

:'(way to much crying going on in here. sounds like a bunch of old ladies yacking.... i live clear down in oregon and i like the guys at the shop and they've always done good for me.  oh and i see that "bowhuntin" is the one thats doing most of the crying in here and has stirred this pot up but in my eyes your (bowhuntin) just a cry baby thats not happy with anything....

 I gave this proshop the benefit of the doubt a couple times. That is one to many times if you ask me. But if you want to keep taking a piece of very expensive equipment to a shop go for it. I have never once told anyone not to use his shop. I didn't think much of his work, a lot of guys feel the same way too. I figured I would have been in the minority as much business that shop gets. There seems to be only a handful of guys on this site that like that shop, but some of those people are the real crybabies because their shop has been put down, they attack me by saying i am using slander or that i am the crybaby. If you like their shop fine by me keep using them, I will keep looking for a different proshop.

[bone head]

k