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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2012, 03:44:40 PM »
In Canada we refer to this as white-flesh Chinook, not to be confused with the 'spirit salmon' a rare occurrence where the salmon's exterior and internal flesh are almost colourless, but not albino. The 'spirit salmon' result from a recessive gene similar to the spirit bear.
White Chinook salmon are called the spirit salmon.
Flesh
White-flesh Chinook salmon are a natural form of Chinook salmon and more common in some stocks than in others.
Salmon traits are inherited through their genes and colouration is one of those traits. Some traits are recessive and some dominant; however, colouration is a blended gene similar to height in humans. Human offspring are not exactly the height of one or the other of the DNA contributor, but rather a combination.
The colouration in salmon flesh is produced by carotenoids, a photosynthetic natural pigment produced only by phytoplankton, algae, plants, and a limited number of fungi and bacteria. It?s bio-accumulated up the food chain to produce the familiar pink, orange and red colours flesh colours in salmon.
White-fleshed Chinook salmon taste like salmon but look more like tuna.
Salmon aren?t alone in showing their carotenoids. Numerous species of birds (flamingos especially) crustaceans, fish and insects are also pigmented with carotenoids obtained from their diet. The distribution and storage of the colouration is determined by each animal's genes. White flesh still has significant quantities of carotenoids even if we cannot see it with our naked eye.
Carotenoids
This fat-soluble pigmentation molecule has many important roles to play in salmon, humans and other wildlife. Two important ones for salmon are during the development of secondary sex characteristics (in the egg) and sexual maturation of the adult fish (when they spawn).
In salmon eggs carotenoids offer important protection from UV rays and other harmful occurrences. When salmon spawn, carotenoids are redistributed from the flesh to the skin to produce spawning colours.
Salmon accumulate carotenoid from their diet and then deposit it in their muscle tissue. This accounts for 65 percent of a salmon?s body mass! In the muscle tissue carotenoids protects the salmon?s fatty acids and other sensitive cellular components from oxidative stress during their extremely taxing migration hundreds of kilometres to spawn in their natal streams.
Research showed the following average concentrations of carotenoids in wild salmon.
Sockeye salmon range: 30?58 mg/kg, average: 40.4 mg/kg
Coho salmon range: 9?28 mg/kg, average: 13.8 mg/kg
Pink salmon range: 3?7 mg/kg, average: 5.4 mg/kg
Chum salmon range: 1?8 mg/kg, average: 5.6 mg/kg
 Chinook salmon range: 1-22 mg/kg, average: 8.9 mg/kg (it has the lowest and therefore displays the white flesh we are familiar with)
Spirit bear sow with 2 black bear cubs.
So what's similar to carotenoids? Beta-carotene found in carrots is the most familiar to us. Humans convert beta-carotene to vitamin A for use in the macula region of the eye to reduce UV light damage, the same as the salmon uses carotenoids to reduce UV light in the egg.
Where can you find white-fleshed Chinook salmon? The Harrison River late run (fall), the Upper Pitt River summer run and the Chilliwack River fall run are all predominately white flesh. Many other systems also have white-flesh Chinook. Your best bet to find other runs of white-flesh Chinook is to ask locals.
Hatcheries
In BC we have 3 main types of hatcheries (or hybrids of the following):
Major facilities producing fish in areas where the Federal government (Department of Fisheries and Oceans) is the main steward, and in watersheds where the stocks or habitat has been compromised or degrader. These facilities generally produce commercially, recreationally and First Nations (FN) fishable abundance.
CEDP (Community Economic Development Program) facilities producing large enough numbers of fish in degraded watersheds. These facilites focus on support recreational and FN fisheries and are generally managed by the Federal government in partnership with FN or a local stewardship organization.
Public Involvement Hatcheries that are very small and work to conserve and rebuild degraded runs. These facilities are conservation based and salmon returns are not targeted for fishing. They are generally run by the Federal government in partnership with volunteer aquatic stewards such as Fish and Game protection associations, Streamkeepers and Enhancement Societies.
Chinook enhancement and conservation is very important as it is a species of fisheries management concern for its environmental (ecosystem), cultural, spiritual, economic, educational and social value. These fish matter to us all!
The numbers of juveniles released from hatcheries of all three types provide food for the entire food web. Hatchery salmon are eaten by everything from birds to whales.
The biggest threat hatchery salmon face is loss of productive habitat, including their ocean habitat. Global warming may be their biggest threat as it changes ocean productivity, ocean currents, predator / prey timing and freshwater habitat by increasing water temperature and reducing flows in the rivers.
Unfortunately, much of the historic and alternate habitat that saved salmon during the most recent 5 climate changes is no longer accessible. It?s now behind dams and dykes.

 
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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2012, 03:45:00 PM »
I dont have any reference but since I was an undergrad I have gone with the belief that the meat of most anadromous fish are colored pink due to the digestion of the exoskeleton of shrimp.  Tule or white king chinook do not posses the correct enzyme to digest so their meat does not color.  And yes it is true that farmed salmon are fed colored food for a week before they are harvested to give them pink meat and a better price at market

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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2012, 04:41:55 PM »
Call it what you want white chinook, white salmon ,tule white meated salmon go to the neighbors  :tup:

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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2012, 05:04:30 PM »
Didn't we have this same discussion last year? I really like setn a hook in em but I don't care much to eat em. Once you go sockeye you will never go back!

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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2012, 05:20:06 PM »
My mother has an alergic reaction to Shrimp. She started having reactions to salmon and couldn't figure out why. She was told by her doctor that the pink in the salmon comes from eating shrimp.  That doesn't make much sense to me as ship live deep and salmon don't.  I was told that Farmed salmon were fed shimp shells to give them more color... Can anyone direct me in the correct direction to reference this? thanks

Their color has little or nothing to do with their feed. Ivory salmon swim in the same schools and eat the same feed as normal kings. It's genetics, not feed.
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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2012, 06:03:02 PM »
 I pound the Fraser river every year and bring home almost 4 different colors of meat. Bright red, pink, marbled, and bright white. The extreme red and white are super oily and have amazing flavor. The pink is so-so and the marbled is absolutely awful. Dry and chewy. :puke: I'd throw every marbled back I could if I could tell for certain what they were.
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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2012, 06:53:31 PM »
The only white fish I'm eatin is halibut, ling, or sturgeon. White king... Yuck!
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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2012, 07:47:51 PM »
Arguing apples and oranges. "Tules" and "white kings" are two different strains of Chinook.
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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2012, 10:03:54 PM »
You can eat what you want to eat
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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2012, 05:11:44 AM »
Chrome slab.  No boot about it!  I leave those for others to throw back.  I don't troll up to many tule in the canal or boots in the first week of aug.....  Two differnt people have said"this is the best smoked salmon I've ever had".  Only two have tried it. I bet you'd say the same.  I bet I throw the brightest red hen I have smoked and the Ivory side by side and you haters pick the white chinook every time.  It's clearly better fish.  Only a rookie angler would think some rotten fish was good.  Ive been hookin kings for 20 yeArs now and I know what a boots meat looks like.

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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2012, 02:16:40 PM »
Arguing apples and oranges. "Tules" and "white kings" are two different strains of Chinook.

Correct.  "Tules" are normal kings that begin their spawning process in the ocean so by the time they make it to their spawning site they are ready to go.  Their spawning site is very close to the ocean, they dont have the time to prepare to spawn in the river like many other strains do.  Just a FYI, each creek has its own genetically diverse population of Kings and each one has it's own quirks.

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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2012, 03:22:54 PM »
Arguing apples and oranges. "Tules" and "white kings" are two different strains of Chinook.

No Tules in AK, totally different, do  not blame you for not eating a Tule, but white meat Kings- especially winter Kings out of Homer and Ketchikan, yummy!  And this from one of the biggest Salmon snobs around.....ME!  I never ate anything but fresh Reds..  Gave all almost all Kings away...

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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2012, 08:22:12 PM »
Nothing better eating than a white king from Canada or Alaska. BTW anyone know where I can purchase 3 or 4 from the Fraser for canning?
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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2012, 08:38:05 PM »
Springers hands down.... JMO :)
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Re: White King salmon meat
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2012, 08:00:03 AM »
Arguing apples and oranges. "Tules" and "white kings" are two different strains of Chinook.

No Tules in AK, totally different, do  not blame you for not eating a Tule, but white meat Kings- especially winter Kings out of Homer and Ketchikan, yummy!  And this from one of the biggest Salmon snobs around.....ME!  I never ate anything but fresh Reds..  Gave all almost all Kings away...

Would you say my fish was a white king?  The head clearly depicts a clean hen.  I wonder why this hatchery fish contains genetics form AK?  I hope I can hook another.  I'll get pics before I fillet it to show how Crome.

 


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