Any pics of the Hanford Bulls this year???

[PlateauNDN]

We all know its an ongoing issue for the tribal members that blast multiple trophy animals because they can during vulnerable situations like weather or mating times.  Until kill reports are implimented for big game this will continue to be an issue without actually knowing the harvest numbers.  I feel the estimates that are given by the state in conjunction with the tribe are close. 

Well said and that's the same thing I've been saying for the last year and a half.  Our penalties are very similar with the Umatillas but the only restrictions in harvesting are male only either species year round and female species only Aug. 31 to Dec. 31.  This is on-line at the Yakama Nation website under our Wildlife program if you anybody would like to view it for themselves.

[igotbigbulls]

What numbers do you base your disagreement on?

Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.

yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is.  where are these statistics located, i.e link?  i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately.  thats why i was curious.

[PlateauNDN]

What numbers do you base your disagreement on?

Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.

yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is.  where are these statistics located, i.e link?  i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately.  thats why i was curious.

I don't know about total poaching by Tribal Members but, here's the 2011-2012 report for the Wetside Tribes. 

http://nwifc.org/w/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/06/big-game-harvest-report-2011to2012-final.pdf

[Skillet]

Thanks Plateau - I wish the WDFW could put numbers together as clearly as that for us.

But I have a question - it appears by this report there was no tribal harvest at all of elk in Region 3?  I was under the impression from a lot of the posts on here that the tribes took a not-insignificant amount of elk out of the Colockum every year.     I may be completely off here, of course.

[PlateauNDN]

Thanks Plateau - I wish the WDFW could put numbers together as clearly as that for us.

But I have a question - it appears by this report there was no tribal harvest at all of elk in Region 3?  I was under the impression from a lot of the posts on here that the tribes took a not-insignificant amount of elk out of the Colockum every year.     I may be completely off here, of course.

The report is for all WETSIDE TRIBES not east side Tribes.  The Region 3 is under the Yakama Nation Ceded Areas and as it currently stands we do not report harvest numbers.  

[Skillet]

Copy that - thanks for the clarification. 

Great info for what it is, though. 

[colockumelk]

What numbers do you base your disagreement on?

Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.

yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is.  where are these statistics located, i.e link?  i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately.  thats why i was curious.

You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.

I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do. 

I think you guys were misunderstaning each other.  As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them.  It would be bad PR.

[trophyhunt]

What numbers do you base your disagreement on?

Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.

yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is.  where are these statistics located, i.e link?  i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately.  thats why i was curious.

You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.

I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do. 

I think you guys were misunderstaning each other.  As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them.  It would be bad PR.

:yeah:Right on, very well put.

[PlateauNDN]

What numbers do you base your disagreement on?

Didn't post any numbers, nationally then possibly but in washington state indian poachings vs white poachings is what I was referring to.

yeah i was wondering what the washington numbers on native vs non indian poaching is.  where are these statistics located, i.e link?  i actually havent heard of many native poaching cases lately.  thats why i was curious.

You guys are using two definitions for one grouo of people. Bigbulls is using the term native poachers (correctly) by describing a native who shoots an animal illegal according to their game edge. Example a Yakama harvests a doe in April. Using this definition then yes white poachers kill far more animals than tribal poachers.

I think Bigtine is using the term tribal poached as one who harvests an animal not within the WDFW hunting seasons. In which case tribal hunters (legally) harvest more animals than white poachers do. 

I think you guys were misunderstaning each other.  As far as harvest reporting goes it is my opinion that East Side tribes don't report harvest statistics and will not do so because it would not politically go well for them.  It would be bad PR.

I understood what he was saying and just chose not to answer at this time because I really didn't want to get into a fingerpointing match again.  His opinion is it's illegal, when in our regs we're not and that's fine, it's his opinion.  I don't condone the actions and abuse by some of my fellow tribesmen but I've done and continue to do everything I can to deter and report such incidents and as long as I'm doing what I can then that's all I can do.  If the powers that be decide they don't want to do something then I can only push for so long before they decide to not to hear anything at all. 

 

[Bigtine96]

And thats respectable plat.

[PlateauNDN]

Sooo.......is there any pics of this years Hanford Bulls??   I like looking at them and have stated before I don't hunt there nor will I ever hunt there and don't condone the killing of preserve/farm animals.

[Woodchuck]

 

[Mxracer532]

IMO
If natives want to hunt YEAR ROUND like their regs state then it should be the way their ancesters did. STICK AND STRING! If they want to use a rifle then they should do soo during everyone elses hunting season with a rifle or Muzzle loader and also have to follow the same guidelines as everyone else. 3pt min or whatever. (considering their ancestors hunted for FOOD)! Not just for antlers or meat, just to sell.

[Maverick]

Agreed. Use a stick and a string or a spear like your ancestors did or at leat an open site muzzle loader.

[hunterrcc]

That is true that there are only bag limits for the special draws only.  Hopefully common sense is used by most in harvesting methods.  Penalties include loosing hunting rights for a year or more, loss of weapons, vehicles, arrest and fines.

And who regulates the tribes... The tribes... Enough said!  Our state aint going to regulate the tribes they are scared to...