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Do you support the removal of wolves that attack cattle in Washington?

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Voting closed: September 18, 2012, 01:15:23 PM

Author Topic: Wedge Pack: More cattle attacked in Stevens County (poll and letter)  (Read 194638 times)

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #225 on: August 24, 2012, 08:23:40 AM »
What I am really wondering is when the WDFW is going to grow a pair and split from DOW! Get them off their web site, cut ties with this so called group of money hungary humans-mean-nothing wolf worshippers! To say these people lack humility is a laugh off! They are so confident in their so called Science it has become their god, they have no connection to reality, no compassion for people, they just want to feed their egos and  get themselves in the lime light. I hope that in the end the WDFW figures out that they went to bed with a whore, that has slept with all kinds of other money harlots and eco-terrorist groups!
The so called pet wolf is now turning on her master! They will rip out the throat of the WDFW if they kill this pack off! They will see the real deal then!

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #226 on: August 24, 2012, 02:33:14 PM »
good read !

Ranchers live in the shadow of wolves

By MATTHEW WEAVER

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LAURIER, Wash. -- On some evenings, Bill McIrvin will ride to the top of a ridge in the middle of his cattle range and let out a howl.

Most of the time, wolves answer back with their own howls.

"I'm just up there seeing if they're into our cattle and which bunch of cattle they're into," he said.

It's frustrating for the rancher, who raises 200 cow-calf pairs on 34,000 acres of private, state and federal land about a mile south of the Canadian border. Some of the livestock do not make it through the summer. The wolves attack and kill some and harass the others.

Six generations of the McIrvin family have lived on the Diamond M ranch, where Bill McIrvin is a partner with his father, Len McIrvin, and nephew, Justin Hedrick.

This summer the McIrvins have found five dead calves and estimate they've lost a total of 40 calves to wolves because of the number of mothers coming back dry, meaning they're no longer nursing calves.

The problem has gotten so bad the state Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife has resorted to killing some of the wolves near the ranch. The McIrvins have had to bring in a quarter of their animals from the range because of the wolves and plan to bring in more.

The attacks are consistent with wolves, the McIrvins say, with bites primarily in the hindquarters and shoulders, with lots of wounded calves. Cougars are plentiful, but typically bite a calf in the face and rip them open behind the shoulder, while bears will bite them through the back.

On a 30-mile loop the afternoon of Aug. 23, they found five cow-calf pairs, with 150 still grazing elsewhere, unseen.

"We've found five dead ones, and I think we're very lucky, or unlucky, to have found them," Len McIrvin said.

State wildlife managers have decided to kill up to four wolves in the Wedge Wolf Pack near the McIrvin ranch to break up the pattern of depredation. Washington Fish and Wildlife Game Division manager Dave Ware said the pack is estimated to have at least four adults and several pups.

"The technique we're using is to basically reduce the food requirements of the pack," Ware said. "If you can remove enough mouths from the pack, then their requirements go down and they tend to take livestock less frequently."

Those efforts will likely last into next week, Ware said.

Ranchers can receive state compensation for two animals for a confirmed wolf kill and compensation for one cow for a probable kill.

Len McIrvin said the cost of wolves includes the loss of calves at $1,000 each, the cost of feed and vaccinations, cows that come back not pregnant and the cost of using additional winter feed for thinner animals in hopes they will rebreed next winter.

There's also at least $10,000 worth of extra labor to employ at least one cowboy each day all summer to work the massive range and survey for wolves.

The McIrvins have refused compensation from the state for their losses.

"If we take $100,000 from the department, that's us saying, 'It's all right for the wolves to be here as long as you pay us,'" Len McIrvin said. "It's not all right, they will put us out of business."

The McIrvins are in the heart of the wolf debate, but livestock industry officials say they won't be alone for long.

Jack Field, executive vice president of the Washington Cattlemen's Association, said the problems with the state wolf management and recovery plan -- wolf harassment and depredation, cattle weight loss, inability to use rangelands -- were all predicted by ranchers prior to its adoption in December 2011.

"It's unfortunately only going to be a matter of time until there's wider-spread depredations, bigger losses and this is going to be something that will go on for years to come," Field said.

"It's only going to get worse," said Nate Hair, Cattle Producers of Washington president. "These wolves travel, they're not going to stay in one particular area."

There aren't many options for ranchers, Hair said, noting those available have been at best unsuccessful. Under the Endangered Species Act, wolves are federally delisted in the eastern part of the state, and not in the western two-thirds, but Hair said the state is treating the animal as an endangered species.

"We're kind of handcuffed because people on the west side of the mountains think they're going to drive over here and listen to the wolves howl," he said.

Making wolves a priority over the livelihood of livestock ranchers is damaging the industry's ability to provide a quality product, Hair said.

"If the rancher can't stay in business and maintain his herd with high quality, he's going to get out of business," Hair said. "He can't afford to stay in it very long at these losses."

Field recommended industry members be fully engaged and work with the department to the fullest degree possible, taking advantage of landowner agreements, in which individual ranchers work with the state.

"We've been dealt a bad hand with the wolf plan and we need to do the best we can to make the most of it," Field said.

"They're wild animals; science has nothing to do with this," Hair said. "You can do all the scientific studies and research you want, at the end of the day, they make the decision what their actions are going to be. They're not a warm and fuzzy pet."

Mitch Friedman, Conservation Northwest executive director, said he remains unconvinced about McIrvin's efforts to manage his herd to reduce conflicts with wolves. He does not agree that there are no options for better herd management.

"We want to see more clarity, certainty, that wolves are responsible for these past incidences," he said. "We're aware there are experts raising questions and the field biologists are themselves not convinced that all, or perhaps even any, of these incidents are conclusively wolves."

Friedman believes the state is under pressure and needs to take more time. He accused McIrvin of alerting the media first, then the local sheriff's office, then the wildlife department while reaching out to county and state legislators to turn up the heat.

"Generally, when wolves are in the neighborhood, everything gets blamed on them," he said. "But when the evidence is in, it's a small portion of incidents that actually ends up involving wolves."

If it's not a wolf, Friedman isn't certain what would be the cause. While he admitted to hemorrhaging on the rear flanks and groin in one of the recent calf attacks, there were no puncture wounds in the hide.

"We want to work collaboratively, we want to make this work so ranchers are not overly impacted by the presence of wolves," he said.

Field said Diamond M is doing everything possible to protect their cattle. Anyone who says otherwise has no place to make such a statement, he said.

"That demonstrates their absolute disconnect from reality and their single agenda that has nothing to do with wolf management," he said.

The McIrvins have received six to eight hate calls, including blatant threats or people raving, Len McIrvin said.

"These people say get dogs, get donkeys, get electric fences," he said. "This is an impossible situation, at 30,000 to 40,000 acres of the roughest terrain where cattle are spread throughout."

Bill McIrvin isn't certain there's a way to get through to the wolf advocates.

"If they could realize the amount of time and sacrifice we've put into our animals," he said. "We're up through the night calving. ... We live with them day and night seven days a week. To have a predator come in and destroy everything we've worked for -- if there was some way they could see that."

The McIrvins blame part of the problem on a change in philosophy, reflected in the change of the name of the state department to Fish and Wildlife from Fish and Game.

"Now it seems like they're predator protection, and they do anything to enhance the predator population at the expense of the game," he said.

The McIrvins intend to keep ranching, in hopes that enough awareness will arise of the impact wolves are having on the industry.

Bill McIrvin is hoping for total removal of the Wedge Pack.

"Maybe we'll have a year or two reprieve before another cattle-killing pack sets up residence here," he said. "If we can get this pack removed, hopefully we'll have long enough that people in Washington can wake up and see what's going to happen to our game and our livelihood."

http://www.capitalpress.com/content/mw-Len-McIrvin-082312-art?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #227 on: August 24, 2012, 05:56:03 PM »
Good post denali, McIrvins pretty well sum up the wolf situation.
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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #228 on: August 24, 2012, 08:25:09 PM »
 :tup: keep em' coming!

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #229 on: August 25, 2012, 07:41:07 AM »
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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #230 on: August 25, 2012, 07:56:24 AM »
I smell it, they should keep there mouths shut and let the game department take four out before the public and landowners take it into there own hands and wipe out several more..

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #231 on: August 25, 2012, 09:04:45 AM »
I personally hope they keep it coming, then maybe the WDFW will finally give them the finger that they so badly deserve. Plus the more they kick and scream and cry, the more the general public will see them for what they are as well.  :twocents:

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #232 on: August 25, 2012, 09:38:35 AM »
They need to get the four wolves removed before somebody finds a liberal judge to stop it.....
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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #233 on: August 28, 2012, 10:09:26 PM »
This whole wolf thing is nutts.  So we decide we need some foxes in our chicken house because we have upset nature by killing all the foxes off inside the chicken house.  All of a sudden we start having chikens killed but the fox lovers say it's not the foxes and they are being blamed for something they didn't do.  Some people actually believe them.  We notice we have chickens killed every day but don't see whats doing it but we are so stupid that we will not admit that before we had foxes we had no chiken losses.  The foxes have proven over and over they just love eating chickens but somehow they have convinced the public they don't eat these chickens but just eat grass, or live on air and water.  WOW, We also voted Obama into our presidency, so what do you expect.                    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH     A nation of idiots for sure.

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #234 on: August 29, 2012, 08:52:17 PM »
Say goodbye to any further control action when it comes to wolves, for a long time.
 

any sliver of belief that the WDFW has interest in sportsmen and sportswomen as anything other than a revenue stream?...well that's gone.


No amount of resources, time or money spent by livestock owners will appease wolf advocates   

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #235 on: August 29, 2012, 09:01:33 PM »
too bad our director knows nothing about hunting!  :bash:
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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #236 on: August 29, 2012, 09:04:02 PM »
"Washington State is a critical player in the ongoing saga of wolf recovery in the Northern Rockies"
Science rules the day huh? WE are not in the f'ing northern rockie dip *censored*! They are so f'ing dumb they don't even know where they are.
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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #237 on: August 30, 2012, 07:54:41 AM »
Squeeky wheel gets the grease!!! And the game department has no backbone!!!

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #238 on: August 30, 2012, 05:50:01 PM »
Oooops!  The ever important conservation groups have spoken...

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Re: Wedge Pack: Yet another wolf attack in Stevens County on Aug 14
« Reply #239 on: August 30, 2012, 06:19:15 PM »
We already knew they were going to stand around picking their noses until somebody changed their mind.  They have no commitment or followthrough.  Wildlife management by political agenda. 
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