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Quote from: Odell on February 21, 2014, 10:00:18 AMQuote from: Sitka_Blacktail on February 21, 2014, 09:14:07 AMQuote from: Special T on February 21, 2014, 07:55:10 AMThe reason why the ammount of wolves is important is because the effect opportunity. If people goout hunting and dont see animals they get discouraged. Some will give it a year or two, some will move to a different area and many will just hang up thier gear. People dont pay high prices to hunt out of state for mediocre hunting, I know I wont and that is likely one of the reasons why WA has so little out of state hunters here. There was a time when you could go Anywhere in Id and see pleny of elk.I started my hunting as a duck hunter. I went deer hunting once but lost interest because there wasn't enough action/deer. For all of its double speak Wdfw doesnt do much to recruit hunters, but does plenty to frustrate the hunters it still.has.So hunting is all about success and not about challenging yourself? I guess that's probably why people hire a guide or hunt game ranches. They don't want to feel like a failure or don t want to make the effort to do what it takes to be successful. To me a successful hunt is being in the outdoors, maybe sharing a camp with good friends or family, and matching wits with whatever game is in the area. I have many times hunted an area with slim pickings and once hunted a Texas game farm by invitation. I guarantee you if I had to make a choice which I would rather do, I'd choose the slim pickings free range hunt 100% of the time. It's a lot more satisfying when you have success. No time spent in the woods should be considered failure, even when you come home empty handed.Good for you. Guess what, you are not the standard all new hunters aspire to. They want opportunity. They want to see game. I bet you did too when you started.Your logic suggests that the best hunting would be in a place where the fewest game animals are. After all, its only about being outdoors and challenging yourself.Special T and Odell,Predators have never limited my opportunity to hunt. But logging companies have. Charging fees limiting the number of hunters on their tree farms have kept me and others out of the woods. New subdivisions have also kept me from hunting in old honey holes. Changes in ownership of land have kept me out of other traditional spots. ANILCA has prevented me from hunting in traditional haunts. Guides leasing up hunting rights have limited my choices of where to hunt. By far, all the limits to my OPPORTUNITY to hunt have been man made and have nothing to do with how many animals are in the area. A wolf or other predator has NEVER locked me out of the woods.
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on February 21, 2014, 09:14:07 AMQuote from: Special T on February 21, 2014, 07:55:10 AMThe reason why the ammount of wolves is important is because the effect opportunity. If people goout hunting and dont see animals they get discouraged. Some will give it a year or two, some will move to a different area and many will just hang up thier gear. People dont pay high prices to hunt out of state for mediocre hunting, I know I wont and that is likely one of the reasons why WA has so little out of state hunters here. There was a time when you could go Anywhere in Id and see pleny of elk.I started my hunting as a duck hunter. I went deer hunting once but lost interest because there wasn't enough action/deer. For all of its double speak Wdfw doesnt do much to recruit hunters, but does plenty to frustrate the hunters it still.has.So hunting is all about success and not about challenging yourself? I guess that's probably why people hire a guide or hunt game ranches. They don't want to feel like a failure or don t want to make the effort to do what it takes to be successful. To me a successful hunt is being in the outdoors, maybe sharing a camp with good friends or family, and matching wits with whatever game is in the area. I have many times hunted an area with slim pickings and once hunted a Texas game farm by invitation. I guarantee you if I had to make a choice which I would rather do, I'd choose the slim pickings free range hunt 100% of the time. It's a lot more satisfying when you have success. No time spent in the woods should be considered failure, even when you come home empty handed.Good for you. Guess what, you are not the standard all new hunters aspire to. They want opportunity. They want to see game. I bet you did too when you started.Your logic suggests that the best hunting would be in a place where the fewest game animals are. After all, its only about being outdoors and challenging yourself.
Quote from: Special T on February 21, 2014, 07:55:10 AMThe reason why the ammount of wolves is important is because the effect opportunity. If people goout hunting and dont see animals they get discouraged. Some will give it a year or two, some will move to a different area and many will just hang up thier gear. People dont pay high prices to hunt out of state for mediocre hunting, I know I wont and that is likely one of the reasons why WA has so little out of state hunters here. There was a time when you could go Anywhere in Id and see pleny of elk.I started my hunting as a duck hunter. I went deer hunting once but lost interest because there wasn't enough action/deer. For all of its double speak Wdfw doesnt do much to recruit hunters, but does plenty to frustrate the hunters it still.has.So hunting is all about success and not about challenging yourself? I guess that's probably why people hire a guide or hunt game ranches. They don't want to feel like a failure or don t want to make the effort to do what it takes to be successful. To me a successful hunt is being in the outdoors, maybe sharing a camp with good friends or family, and matching wits with whatever game is in the area. I have many times hunted an area with slim pickings and once hunted a Texas game farm by invitation. I guarantee you if I had to make a choice which I would rather do, I'd choose the slim pickings free range hunt 100% of the time. It's a lot more satisfying when you have success. No time spent in the woods should be considered failure, even when you come home empty handed.
The reason why the ammount of wolves is important is because the effect opportunity. If people goout hunting and dont see animals they get discouraged. Some will give it a year or two, some will move to a different area and many will just hang up thier gear. People dont pay high prices to hunt out of state for mediocre hunting, I know I wont and that is likely one of the reasons why WA has so little out of state hunters here. There was a time when you could go Anywhere in Id and see pleny of elk.I started my hunting as a duck hunter. I went deer hunting once but lost interest because there wasn't enough action/deer. For all of its double speak Wdfw doesnt do much to recruit hunters, but does plenty to frustrate the hunters it still.has.
I realize I might be a bit abrasive at times but I've never attacked anyone personally on here. If you need a reminder of what a personal attack looks like I've added a few to my signature line below.
How do we know that Sitka is even a hunter. He sounds exactly like the wolf lovers who try to pose as hunters to make it sound like hunters want more wolves. Everything he writes supports most everything the anti-hunters want. His points don't even make sense. He suggests that because he has hunted Alaska that predators won't limit hunting opportunity. He conveniently leaves out the fact that Alaska intensively manages wolves, using hunting, trapping, and even aircraft when needed to cull wolves. No wonder he has had some hunting success in Alaska, if in fact he is a hunter?
How do we know that Sitka is even a hunter.
Quote from: bearpaw on February 21, 2014, 07:23:45 PMHow do we know that Sitka is even a hunter. Oh goodness...not another witch hunt please. He is a hunter just like most every other person on this forum. Just because someone has a different viewpoint doesn't mean they are not a hunter. The world is not black and white.
I can tell u all feel very strongly about wolves and there damage on wildlife.But im not gonna risk my hunting rights or some 10000 dollor fine.For killing a wolf.So what is it u want us hunters to do.Im no wolf lover cant wait till they add the tag to the big game packages.But im not letting some CSI wanna be game warden pull my bullet out of a wolf.
Quote from: idahohuntr on February 21, 2014, 07:45:19 PMQuote from: bearpaw on February 21, 2014, 07:23:45 PMHow do we know that Sitka is even a hunter. Oh goodness...not another witch hunt please. He is a hunter just like most every other person on this forum. Just because someone has a different viewpoint doesn't mean they are not a hunter. The world is not black and white.I'm not saying you are wrong, but have you hunted with him? How would you know? Fact: It wouldn't be the first time we had a poser on this forum.
