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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2012, 09:44:54 PM »
If this bull was shot with a legal tribal tag, during a legal tribal season, with a legal tribal weapon, then so be it. My problem with the tribes is the numbers of elk they will shoot out of one unit. Last year the Tulalips shot 12 bulls out of Stampede alone. They almost completely destroyed the herd, hunting with rifles during the rut. Now they have moved on to White River and are doing the same. Theres got to be a limit to the numbers of bulls they can shoot, especially using a rifle in September. And why do they get special permits in units that are NOWHERE near their respected tribes. Do you really think the Natives from the Marysville area would ride their horses and hunt the Stampede Pass unit 150 years ago?? Negative.

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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2012, 10:00:13 PM »
  Most natives have no respect for the animals and land they live on.  There for they dont care if they decimate the herds.
  For anyone who questions that drive through your local reservation.  Nuf said.

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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2012, 10:05:03 PM »
Wow, just wow.  :chuckle:


Seriously though, for such a short original post it sure covers a lot of topics. My  :twocents: on the subjects...


Calling elk in the off season: Good for you. You're out enjoying nature and interacting with animals. What more could a guy ask for. Have at it. Sure you may inadvertently educate one or two in the process. So what. That's such a small inconsequential amount of the total elk population that it shouldn't matter to anyone. Maybe those naysayers think we should ban all video and photographs taken of elk in the rut unless they themselves are hunting them. Because after all it may interfere with their hunt. It's a selfish argument for anyone to want to keep you out of the woods enjoying nature. Brush it off and head back out there.

The Kill: I don't have a favorable view of some of the activities of tribal hunters; But in this particular instance I see no reason to begrudge them. This time of year it could have just as easily have been someone with a special permit as a native. Had this been in the off season or wintering range then yes, by all means flame away. But for an elk to be shot during the middle of the season (open for whites or not) is the least inflammatory complaint I've ever heard about native hunting.

Road Hunting: Let's face it, it's what the majority of hunters do wether they be native or not. If your within spotting scope view of a road it's highly possible someone is watching you or the same animals as you. This is easily solved by dropping into a drainage or hole that is unseen by any road. Hunting is usually much better this way anyhow.

Native Hunting:bash: I loath it, but there is nothing that I can say or do on this forum that will make it any better or solve this problem. It will just lead to anger and high blood pressure so I'm going to sit this one out.


Again, just my   :twocents:

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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2012, 10:49:42 PM »
Fowl, I know I know, I did the same thing but, my fat fingers tend to hit extra buttons when I'm typing on my blackberry.  Fat fingers and little buttons just don't mix.  I was making edits myself but obviously I missed a couple but, at least I attmepted to correct them rather than keep it the way it is? They need to hurry and make cellphones big like those ipads or something so I can see and fit my fingers on the buttons. :chuckle:
I was just giving you a hard time, no harm intended. The two letters being close together makes it easy for that to happen. Just thought it was kinda funny.
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2012, 08:39:47 AM »
I know some people have problems with people going out and bugling.. I know it sucks if you are hunting and someone ruins your hunt by doing that but thats how it goes. It is their right just as much as yours to be out in the woods and bugle. I do it  all the time because I am hunting with a camera instead of a weapon. In the long run guys that go out and bugle you could consider teachers because they are prolonging that elks life by educating them. LOL
A bull would of been shot by him reguardless, you just made it easier for him.
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2012, 09:09:42 AM »
I know some people have problems with people going out and bugling.. I know it sucks if you are hunting and someone ruins your hunt by doing that but thats how it goes. It is their right just as much as yours to be out in the woods and bugle. I do it  all the time because I am hunting with a camera instead of a weapon. In the long run guys that go out and bugle you could consider teachers because they are prolonging that elks life by educating them. LOL
A bull would of been shot by him reguardless, you just made it easier for him.

well said and I agree with the last post as well.  I'm not against calling or filming because I enjoy watching those videos but, it's funny how this situation is upsetting and blown out of proportion.  Just be where road hunters won't be and the problem solves itself.

Wow, just wow.  :chuckle:


Seriously though, for such a short original post it sure covers a lot of topics. My  :twocents: on the subjects...


Calling elk in the off season: Good for you. You're out enjoying nature and interacting with animals. What more could a guy ask for. Have at it. Sure you may inadvertently educate one or two in the process. So what. That's such a small inconsequential amount of the total elk population that it shouldn't matter to anyone. Maybe those naysayers think we should ban all video and photographs taken of elk in the rut unless they themselves are hunting them. Because after all it may interfere with their hunt. It's a selfish argument for anyone to want to keep you out of the woods enjoying nature. Brush it off and head back out there.

The Kill: I don't have a favorable view of some of the activities of tribal hunters; But in this particular instance I see no reason to begrudge them. This time of year it could have just as easily have been someone with a special permit as a native. Had this been in the off season or wintering range then yes, by all means flame away. But for an elk to be shot during the middle of the season (open for whites or not) is the least inflammatory complaint I've ever heard about native hunting.

Road Hunting: Let's face it, it's what the majority of hunters do wether they be native or not. If your within spotting scope view of a road it's highly possible someone is watching you or the same animals as you. This is easily solved by dropping into a drainage or hole that is unseen by any road. Hunting is usually much better this way anyhow. :tup: :tup:

Native Hunting:bash: I loath it, but there is nothing that I can say or do on this forum that will make it any better or solve this problem. It will just lead to anger and high blood pressure so I'm going to sit this one out.


Again, just my   :twocents:

Some good stuff in here as well and agree with some but, not all.

  Most natives have no respect for the animals and land they live on.  There for they dont care if they decimate the herds.  I'd say some but not most, this again comes back to the bad apple in every category discussion. 

For anyone who questions that drive through your local reservation. Can't really argue with this one to much because there are a lot of native families that don't care for their yards but, then again, majority of the population down here at least is not tribal members. Nuf said.

Fowl, I know I know, I did the same thing but, my fat fingers tend to hit extra buttons when I'm typing on my blackberry.  Fat fingers and little buttons just don't mix.  I was making edits myself but obviously I missed a couple but, at least I attmepted to correct them rather than keep it the way it is? They need to hurry and make cellphones big like those ipads or something so I can see and fit my fingers on the buttons. :chuckle:
I was just giving you a hard time, no harm intended. The two letters being close together makes it easy for that to happen. Just thought it was kinda funny.

 :tup: :chuckle:  I know you were.

The biggest issue I have is the westside tribes hunting east of the cascades and pretty much everybody on here knows my stance.  If I see them I'll attempt to stop and detain and report them because regardless of what they say they are breaking our laws of the Yakama Nation and our Council has already sent them a warning about hunting on this side of the cascades.
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2012, 11:06:49 AM »
If you go back 300 years or so there isnt one person on this web page who doesnt come from a family that was conquered somewhere.  Why dont the rest of us get special deals.  Our families are still in shock and need therapy for the mistreatment we all got in the past two to five hundred years.

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And when does it ever end?  When do we all finally become equal?  When can we all go by the same standard?

And by the way, if i have spelling and grammer errors I blame it on my great great grandpa's spelling teacher who's family was conquered by a small tribe of mis-spellers!
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2012, 11:32:14 AM »
I am curious about something, sorry if this is viewed as jacking the thread, but the question I have is, why is it such an emotionally charged subject regarding natives hunting or fishing, when they are legally allowed to?

Take for example the ban on hunting bear with hounds.  How is a hound hunter legally running dogs and killing bears for a timber company any different than a native legally shooting an elk or deer?

The average Joe hunter cannot run a pack of hounds to harvest his/her one or two bear a year without risking fines, loss of equipment, hunting licenses, etc.  Yet, the hound hunters are running and killing several bears a year for timber compainies. 

Are each and every one of those bears brought out and processed?  Where does the meat go?  Is it because elk & deer are more popular, so there are more emotions in play?  Is it because the hound hunters run in the spring & summer behind locked gates and thus just stay off the radar?

Just something that I have been wondering about for awhile now, as I read all the posts with complaints and such regarding the natives doing things the "rest" of us can't. 

Note: I acknowledge that there are and always will be those that push the limits or outright break the laws, always has been and sadly, always will...regardless of race or heritage.

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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2012, 12:55:57 PM »
well this is only the first thread of the year like this with more to come im sure.  my family harvested a nice bull that has a real cool story to go along with it that will probably never get shared on here because of the hate and discontent associated with native hunting.  kinda sad because i was waiting to see how the threads throughout the fall would play out.  now i know im prob not gonna post a story.  :twocents:
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2012, 01:01:56 PM »
If you go back 300 years or so there isnt one person on this web page who doesnt come from a family that was conquered somewhere.  Why dont the rest of us get special deals.  Our families are still in shock and need therapy for the mistreatment we all got in the past two to five hundred years.

As for them being able to hunt because there fore-fathers did, all I can say to that is my fore-fathers hunted Indians so why cant I do that!

The whole thing is a crock of crap!

And when does it ever end?  When do we all finally become equal?  When can we all go by the same standard?

And by the way, if i have spelling and grammer errors I blame it on my great great grandpa's spelling teacher who's family was conquered by a small tribe of mis-spellers!

I've been seriously considering sueing the ancestors of the Carthaginians for what they did to my family back in the day.... :sas:
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2012, 01:11:20 PM »
I am curious about something, sorry if this is viewed as jacking the thread, but the question I have is, why is it such an emotionally charged subject regarding natives hunting or fishing, when they are legally allowed to?

Take for example the ban on hunting bear with hounds.  How is a hound hunter legally running dogs and killing bears for a timber company any different than a native legally shooting an elk or deer?

The average Joe hunter cannot run a pack of hounds to harvest his/her one or two bear a year without risking fines, loss of equipment, hunting licenses, etc.  Yet, the hound hunters are running and killing several bears a year for timber compainies. 

Are each and every one of those bears brought out and processed?  Where does the meat go?  Is it because elk & deer are more popular, so there are more emotions in play?  Is it because the hound hunters run in the spring & summer behind locked gates and thus just stay off the radar?

Just something that I have been wondering about for awhile now, as I read all the posts with complaints and such regarding the natives doing things the "rest" of us can't. 

Note: I acknowledge that there are and always will be those that push the limits or outright break the laws, always has been and sadly, always will...regardless of race or heritage.

Because those bear hunts don't negatively affect the population or the OPPORTUNITY to hunt bears. I can hunt bears every year in any part of the state, just not with dogs. But Bull tags are few and far between, highly regulated in time allowed and weapon. And the tribal take further limits that opportunity and is damaging the population. If the tribes were only allowed a few animals, with the state regulating that use and they got to use a rifle where I only used a bow (ironic) then you might have a point. Your comparison is nowhere close to the same thing.
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2012, 01:14:09 PM »
well this is only the first thread of the year like this with more to come im sure.  my family harvested a nice bull that has a real cool story to go along with it that will probably never get shared on here because of the hate and discontent associated with native hunting.  kinda sad because i was waiting to see how the threads throughout the fall would play out.  now i know im prob not gonna post a story.  :twocents:

If the story goes like what I have seen than it might go like this.

Woke up this morning late and let the kids skip school like most days.  Got into the new truck I bought yesterday and went and checked the gill nets at my private ramp paid for by the tax payers.  Got a flat tire on the way home and left the truck on the side of the road and bought a new one.  Stopped off by the Hanford Site and cut the fence.  Drove through the native sage and wildlands.  Chased a heard of elk into the fence corner and shot a half dozen. Cut the horns off the big ones because the Bulls are on the tough side.  Threw the Cows in the back and headed home to watch the big game and drink some brewskies.  (Still wondering how my ancestors did it without the truck, big TV & football game, and brewskies).  Got home and had a big party because my royalty check from the Casino came in the same day my welfare check came (imagine the odds of that happening).  got on the web and got pissed off at all the comments on the forum over Indians getting special treatment.
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2012, 01:27:30 PM »
 :chuckle:

I haven't seen too many new trucks that natives are driving....

But, that being said.  I'd like to read your story and see  your pic igotbigbulls!  One way or another, whether people want to fight about this forever or not, in the end, we will need to find a way to work together on this.  Calling ALL Indians a bunch of lazy, poaching, etc, etc, etc is NOT going to improve anything and discourages the guys that do care and willing to fix any issues that there may be.  Us white guys as a whole are not exactly the model citizens.  Just go for a drive on opening day modern elk.  It is crazy!
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2012, 01:32:00 PM »
Hopefully before my question runs this thread too far off course, I have started it in another posting:

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,106006.0.html

Looking forward to hear what opinions are on the subject and what perspective it is viewed from.
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Re: Bull Shot
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2012, 01:46:23 PM »
I was out rippin' away on the bugle call the other day in 121 just for the hell of it, anyone hear me  :dunno: :chuckle:


 


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