Wolf poachers - would you turn one in?

[RG]

Try to keep them in the city limits please....

[Special T]

I know BP's statement is tongue and cheek, but the reality is that the "Seattle metro area" will need to feel the effects before there is a change in heart. I hope the wolves sited in North bend breed like jackrabbits, so that the uninformed have many close encounters to bring the to reality.

[deadwoodbuck]

just as soon they put a season or special tag on them...keep it legal...once you go down the poaching road you can justify anything.  unless my livelyhood or family were in danger.  just don't put me in that situation or I just might.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

just as soon they put a season or special tag on them...keep it legal...once you go down the poaching road you can justify anything.  unless my livelyhood or family were in danger.  just don't put me in that situation or I just might.

Agreed. They put a season on them and I'll be out there hunting them with you. But until then, poaching is poaching, you can't have it both ways.

[Special T]

I'm guess i'm glad i don't have many of you for neighbors!  Unjust laws do not require us to be the lap dogs of the government. I hope none of you burn dimensional lumber, grade your property with out a permit, speed, tress pass on DNR land with out a discover pass, Cut the catalytic converter out of your ride... I could go on with all the BS requirements that the State tells us to do that is just plain a- sine but really they are just apples and oranges. I know killing a wolf is much more serious that my examples... 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

But Special T, the problem is, who gets to decide which laws we consider unjust? Maybe some guys think it's unjust they can't party hunt and shoot somebody else's animal for them. Maybe some guys think there shouldn't be a limit on game birds that are planted. Some guys might feel it's unjust that they cant just shoot a doe instead of having to shoot a buck. And I KNOW there are people who think it's unjust having to drive the speed limit. I see them every day. We can't just pick and choose which laws we follow. If it's unjust, work to change it. If enough people feel that way, it will be changed.

Personally, I think it's unjust that I have to wear a seatbelt. But I do.

[SemperFidelis97]

For the safety of these innocent face licking wolves and the benefit of the wolf lovers who want wolves frolicking in the meadows with butterflies so badly, I propose we relocate 3/4 of NE WA's wolves to the wooded areas of Puget Sound. Those counties who want these wolves can keep them protected and let them multiply. Whenever NE WA exceeds our share of the wolf plan (about 3 packs) we simply relocate the excess to Puget Sound where the people who want them can have them.

PROBLEM SOLVED!

NIMBY

I hear Discovery park in Seattle is 500 acres of perfect wolf habitat lots of cover, and ample herbavores running around that would make great prey.  I don't see it happening though libs up there are more interested in preserving nature in our backyard rather than their own.

 

Not all of us in the Puget Sound area are wolf lovers.  I'd rather transplant the wolf lovers to the NE........   

  Yes, I know, I was only trying to make a point, you guys don't want them any more than I do. Can we put them in downtown pugetropolis?   

[KFhunter]

just as soon they put a season or special tag on them...keep it legal...once you go down the poaching road you can justify anything.  unless my livelyhood or family were in danger.  just don't put me in that situation or I just might.

Agreed. They put a season on them and I'll be out there hunting them with you. But until then, poaching is poaching, you can't have it both ways.

The slippery slope argument is 

[Special T]

But Special T, the problem is, who gets to decide which laws we consider unjust? Maybe some guys think it's unjust they can't party hunt and shoot somebody else's animal for them. Maybe some guys think there shouldn't be a limit on game birds that are planted. Some guys might feel it's unjust that they cant just shoot a doe instead of having to shoot a buck. And I KNOW there are people who think it's unjust having to drive the speed limit. I see them every day. We can't just pick and choose which laws we follow. If it's unjust, work to change it. If enough people feel that way, it will be changed.

Personally, I think it's unjust that I have to wear a seatbelt. But I do.

The question isn't IF you would shoot one, its would you turn one in? So i'm assuming that whenever you see some one speeding you hop on the phone and call the police? How bout when your neighbor is burning wood that isn't dry enough?

BTW there are all kinds of BS laws that i abide by because i don't want to be taxed. But if my neighbor doesn't want to abide by the letter of the law I'm not gona be the person to turn them in...

[Curly]

But Special T, the problem is, who gets to decide which laws we consider unjust? Maybe some guys think it's unjust they can't party hunt and shoot somebody else's animal for them. Maybe some guys think there shouldn't be a limit on game birds that are planted. Some guys might feel it's unjust that they cant just shoot a doe instead of having to shoot a buck. And I KNOW there are people who think it's unjust having to drive the speed limit. I see them every day. We can't just pick and choose which laws we follow. If it's unjust, work to change it. If enough people feel that way, it will be changed.

Personally, I think it's unjust that I have to wear a seatbelt. But I do.

The question isn't IF you would shoot one, its would you turn one in? So i'm assuming that whenever you see some one speeding you hop on the phone and call the police? How bout when your neighbor is burning wood that isn't dry enough?

BTW there are all kinds of BS laws that i abide by because i don't want to be taxed. But if my neighbor doesn't want to abide by the letter of the law I'm not gona be the person to turn them in...

 

Until it becomes illegal to look the other way, that is exactly what I would do if I ever came across a wolf poacher vigilante. 

[bearpaw]

All good points and exactly why WDFW needs to revise the wolf plan and take into consideration the people who have to live with the wolves and the ranchers who are stuck feeding them.

Bottom line, the wolf plan is a bad law that needs changed, it will cause some people to violate and many others are not going to report those violators. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

But Special T, the problem is, who gets to decide which laws we consider unjust? Maybe some guys think it's unjust they can't party hunt and shoot somebody else's animal for them. Maybe some guys think there shouldn't be a limit on game birds that are planted. Some guys might feel it's unjust that they cant just shoot a doe instead of having to shoot a buck. And I KNOW there are people who think it's unjust having to drive the speed limit. I see them every day. We can't just pick and choose which laws we follow. If it's unjust, work to change it. If enough people feel that way, it will be changed.

Personally, I think it's unjust that I have to wear a seatbelt. But I do.

The question isn't IF you would shoot one, its would you turn one in? So i'm assuming that whenever you see some one speeding you hop on the phone and call the police? How bout when your neighbor is burning wood that isn't dry enough?

BTW there are all kinds of BS laws that i abide by because i don't want to be taxed. But if my neighbor doesn't want to abide by the letter of the law I'm not gona be the person to turn them in...

Someone else speeding isn't going to affect my right to drive or anyone else's. Somebody illegally shooting wolves might affect my right to hunt or everybody else's.

Pulling over to report every speeder I see would mean I might as well walk, because I wouldn't be getting anywhere fast.

I catch you dumping garbage in the woods, I'm turning you in too. Not only is it stupid, but again, it affects mine and everyone else's chances of using roads into hunting areas. It's one of the big reasons roads get gated.

[Curly]

Well, people have their own ideas on what lines are crossed as to when it is appropriate to report law breakers. 

A bad wolf plan that should never have been put forth by WDFW, and should have been voted down by the commission is reason for around 80% of us to look the other way if faced with the decision to report.  I'm okay with that.  And I don't mind WDFW knowing the percentage of hunters that would look the other way.

[Special T]

But Special T, the problem is, who gets to decide which laws we consider unjust? Maybe some guys think it's unjust they can't party hunt and shoot somebody else's animal for them. Maybe some guys think there shouldn't be a limit on game birds that are planted. Some guys might feel it's unjust that they cant just shoot a doe instead of having to shoot a buck. And I KNOW there are people who think it's unjust having to drive the speed limit. I see them every day. We can't just pick and choose which laws we follow. If it's unjust, work to change it. If enough people feel that way, it will be changed.

Personally, I think it's unjust that I have to wear a seatbelt. But I do.

The question isn't IF you would shoot one, its would you turn one in? So i'm assuming that whenever you see some one speeding you hop on the phone and call the police? How bout when your neighbor is burning wood that isn't dry enough?

BTW there are all kinds of BS laws that i abide by because i don't want to be taxed. But if my neighbor doesn't want to abide by the letter of the law I'm not gona be the person to turn them in...

Someone else speeding isn't going to affect my right to drive or anyone else's. Somebody illegally shooting wolves might affect my right to hunt or everybody else's.

Pulling over to report every speeder I see would mean I might as well walk, because I wouldn't be getting anywhere fast.

I catch you dumping garbage in the woods, I'm turning you in too. Not only is it stupid, but again, it affects mine and everyone else's chances of using roads into hunting areas. It's one of the big reasons roads get gated.

The once twice, three times removed "Possibility" of it affecting me/you holds no water with me.  That same kind of logic is why we have the seat belt, tobacco, Mc Donalds police because it "may" effect me through higher prices on insurance and medicare. It IS the same thing because you have mandatory Auto insurance, and speeding and wrecks DO affect the price you pay because of it.

You want to turn in someone for dumping garbage? Good for you... My whole point is IF you feel the need to turn in some one for shooting a wolf go right ahead I won't try and stop you. There is a BIG difference between a REAL problem with Physical consequences like dumping trash vs some imagined one like turning in a wolf shooter or some one burning dimensional lumber.

[Hi-Liter]

I would turn a wolf poacher so fast make their head spin. That's all we need is people poaching an animal regardless what specie it is. That all the bad hype a good hunter gets is that we are poachers. I m not a liberal or tree hugging wolf planter but, poaching is poaching and you violated Federal and WA law-period.