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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2012, 10:26:53 PM »
i thought it was .243 or larger RIFLE ? it says handguns not allowed  :dunno: there is no accuracy or distance, why risk injuring it to go die and be wasted, they are not targets, they are meat to be harvested., just because it would be cool to say you did it, doesnt make it ok to try  :twocents:

That is just a plain ridiculous statement.
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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 12:00:11 AM »
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.

so is this true or not?

and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal  :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we  :rolleyes:

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 04:56:48 AM »
Look it up in the regs. The regs say .24 caliber or larger centerfire cartridge with a four inch or longer barrel. Hunters ed instructors aren't always right. I had one try to tell me that you couldn't use a gun that held more than five rounds when hunting big game, there is nothing in the rules that limit the amount of cartridges a hunting rifle can hold.

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2012, 07:31:36 AM »
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.

so is this true or not?

and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal  :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we  :rolleyes:

Dude, most people can't shoot consistently at 300-400 yards. Most people don't hand load or have the barrel or optics to do so. You can do it with a factory rifle but it takes lots of practice. Besides, no one is going to take a shot at an animal at that range. The people shooting pistols that far are shooting steel.
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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2012, 07:51:30 AM »
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.

so is this true or not?

and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal  :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we  :rolleyes:

just requires practice.... it is perfectly legal to shoot a big game animal with a 24 caliber or larger handgun with a 4 inch barrell your hunters ed instructor either was mistaken or explained the law poorly.  One of my hunting partners hopes to take a bear with a 44, and I want to one day hunt deer with a 357 :) there are plenty of handgunners the key is getting in close, also handguns can be used in many of the rifle restriction areas, so certain lands where you can only use handgun, muzzy, shotgun, and bow.  I am far more comfortable and accurate with a handgun so that would be my choice for lands like this.

While I want to learn eventually to shoot out to 1000yds I really want to try and shoot game inside 100yds because I want to get close its part of the fun of hunting for me, that said I will shoot a deer or bear out to 300-400 with guidance and after I get some time on targets out that far I'd do it alone :dunno:

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2012, 08:04:28 AM »
I have a 15" 308 bbl for my Encore that I would have no problem using for deer or elk out to 200yds but beyond that, no thanks I'm not that good. :twocents: Shooting steel beyond that, no problem. T/C wrote the book on long range steel. I wouldn't dream of trying to shoot an animal at 100yds with a 357. I don't believe there would be enough energy to make a clean kill that far away.

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2012, 08:11:10 AM »
I have a 15" 308 bbl for my Encore that I would have no problem using for deer or elk out to 200yds but beyond that, no thanks I'm not that good. :twocents: Shooting steel beyond that, no problem. T/C wrote the book on long range steel. I wouldn't dream of trying to shoot an animal at 100yds with a 357. I don't believe there would be enough energy to make a clean kill that far away.

rifle 100yds......holy crap people I am always shocked at how twisted this stuff gets....we all need to put the exact distance because obviously it was not inferred.

I want to shoot a deer at about 50 feet with a 357, I hope to shoot all animals possible with my rifle inside of 100yds however would shoot past that with help because I am not comfortable guessing bullet drop crap yet.  If season had been open my other partner coulda shot a cougar at 20 feet with his 9mm pistol...damn that would of been cool as hell.....

I never said I was gonna shoot a 357 out to 100yds, it seemed there was about ten discussions happening inside this one.....most handgun hunters I talk to all are shooting well inside about 40-50yds with the goal of shooting in increments of feet not yards  :dunno:

again since some seem to have twisted it I will shoot a 357 up close .....one day.....in the meantime I still need to kill something so I can even talk on these threads.....

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2012, 08:24:00 AM »
Guess I should have clairfied it better. I was referring to one of the guys that mentioned he could shoot paper plates at 100yds all day. I just meant that I wouldn't try shooting an animal that far away with a 357. There's a lot of difference between a 15"bbl 308 handgun and a 6"bbl 357. Sorry if I twisted the thread. :bdid:

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2012, 08:32:49 AM »
HMMMM 400 yards! I would bet 90% of hunters could not make a shot for a kill at that distance. Oh the rifle is capable but the shooter is not. As to hand guns, was at the range a couple days ago getting set for deer and brought the Contender 30-30 along 10" barrel 2x leo. Guys were all xcited when the first shot off rest was 2" high at 100 yards then the second was about 1/2" lower(must have pulled that one). My longest handgun kill was 265 yards with a 223 at a rock chuck. Longest big game kill with a handgun about 25yards shortest 7 yards, that said "with a rest" I would most likely take a 150 yard shot with a hand gun. My longest shot with a rifle was a moose at 365 yards ranged with a 375 H&H 3-9 Leo on 9x and the moose looked like a mouse. Long range is SOOOOOOOOO wind dependent and ranging dependent. Handgun and rifle longer ranges must have a marksman and someone who shoot 100's of rounds a year not just the two shots to see if the scope is on each year. JMT

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2012, 08:35:07 AM »
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.

so is this true or not?

and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal  :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we  :rolleyes:

The ridiculous parts are those after your dunno icon...
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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2012, 08:40:06 AM »
 :jacked:

The OP asked about the legality of using a Taurus 44 for hunting.  I hope she got a correct answer before this thread veered off into the ethics weeds about shot distances.
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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2012, 08:40:18 AM »
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.

so is this true or not?

and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal  :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we  :rolleyes:

just requires practice.... it is perfectly legal to shoot a big game animal with a 24 caliber or larger handgun with a 4 inch barrell your hunters ed instructor either was mistaken or explained the law poorly.  One of my hunting partners hopes to take a bear with a 44, and I want to one day hunt deer with a 357 :) there are plenty of handgunners the key is getting in close, also handguns can be used in many of the rifle restriction areas, so certain lands where you can only use handgun, muzzy, shotgun, and bow.  I am far more comfortable and accurate with a handgun so that would be my choice for lands like this.

While I want to learn eventually to shoot out to 1000yds I really want to try and shoot game inside 100yds because I want to get close its part of the fun of hunting for me, that said I will shoot a deer or bear out to 300-400 with guidance and after I get some time on targets out that far I'd do it alone :dunno:

There is a caveat on the handguns in firearm restricted areas...it has to be a revolver style handgun. semi-auto handguns are still illegal in firearms restriction areas.

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2012, 08:44:27 AM »
at hunters ed they stated 243 or larger was the law for big game so call it ridiculous all you want im just repeating what was stated, they also said big game is illegal with a hang gun.

so is this true or not?

and as far as disagreeing, well i would like to see someone shoot CONSISTENTLY and accurately 300-400 or more yards, if it was a good idea it'd be legal  :rolleyes: ansd jburke, nobody mention a bow now did they? no, were talking about shooting, now aren't we  :rolleyes:

It is 100% legal.  Read the rules. I was simply comparing the two.  How is it ok to use a bow with an effective range of 40 or so yard, yet not ok to use a pistol that is capable of farther than that?  That's what I don't get out of your original statement.  If your talking about accuracy and distance then why is a shotgun legal as well?
The goal in hunting is to get as close as you can.  Whether that's 100 yards or 20.  I could hit a target at 75 with my 357, yet wouldn't take that long of a shot on an animal.

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2012, 09:33:37 AM »
ok so the .243 was wrong, some instructor, sorry guys your right just looked it up  :bash:  as for a 15" barrel of course you could drop a game with that, i dont consider a 15" barrel a pistol/handgun, its damn near rifle. anyways i will go tar and feather myself  :chuckle:

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Re: Question about pistol hunting
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2012, 11:00:33 AM »
Just because a caliber and pistol barrel length are 'barely legal' to hunt with you need to recognize the reduction in bullet energy for the shorter barreled guns.  The state used to list the minumum muzzle energy requirement for pistols. They don't now. Still, a four inch barrelled 44mag with .04-.06" cylinder gap should only be fired upon a deer sized animal when the shot is very close and a sure kill zone can be hit. Please review this graph to see what the muzzle energy reduction is by barrel length. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/44mag.html  A TC handgun with closed chamber will retain higher pressures/velocities. So will a 44automag. A Dan Wesson revolver that can have a cylinder gap set down to .02" cylinder gap will bump velocity noticably over that of a Taurus, Ruger or S&W.
 
Yes, your 9mm Glock is legal to hunt with. (But there's a clause somewhere that I read once that the wildlife agent has descretion with determining if a firearm of particular design/caliber is suitable for hunting. (they may have removed that from the RCW, as I can't find it anymore -still, why put yourself in that position?)  I know that some have taken bear with 357mag and 45acp. I don't know that anyone would purposefully hunt with those calibers in a revolver or your semi-auto. It would be foolish/outright stupid to hunt big game with a 9mm.
 
I have taken 7 Blacktail with 44mag revolver. I use 250-300gn bullets hand loaded to the hilt, and while none of those deer ran away from the good kill shots, I have restricted my shots to be less than 75yds. (in fact- all were less than 35yds)
 
Knowing what you and your handgun are capable of are key in terms of accuracy and selected bullet performance. There is no need to practice out past 50yds if you can't consistently hit the ten ring off hand at 25yds. If you can't do this at 50yds, please keep practicing before you hunt big game with a handgun.
 
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