What about this idea

[Atroxus]

I was saying that during normal hunting seasons, the farmers who have geese have no problem finding people to help them with their animals, and for a big paycheck to boot. It's the off-season time that's the problem because then, there are no hunters available. The same is true for big game, as well. People who have private land and big game tearing it up sell leases or let relatives hunt it. During regular seasons, I think they have plenty of options for hazing and killing problem animals. It's the off-season that's the challenge.

Oh....that makes more sense. I do think that there are still some people who this idea could work for though. My cousin is a perfect example. His neighbors just have a few deer that eat their flower gardens or some such thing. My cousin lines up hunters to go out and kill a deer or 2 on each property every year, apparently not enough to completely eliminate the deer problem, but enough to make the neighbors feel like it's helping and for hunters to get opportunities they might not have had otherwise. I am not saying it would be successful for more than a handful of people, but I think it might be worth the effort of giving it a go. Who knows; if we tried it, we might be pleasantly surprised by the outcome.

[Ned]

sounds like one guy here is to lazy to scout, to cheap to lease, not able to pas the MH test and is looking for a handout.

[Atroxus]

sounds like one guy here is to lazy to scout, to cheap to lease, not able to pas the MH test and is looking for a handout.

There is a saying about people who assume. You are at least part right though. I freely admit I could not pass MH. I have never fired a muzzle loader, I shot an arrow once at a cabelas but am pretty sure the arrow was nowhere near where I was aiming.

As to the rest you have no idea what you are talking about. I was just scouting Saturday, this is only my 3rd hunting season though and I still have no idea if the areas I have been hunting/scouting are even worth the effort because I have not seen anything bigger than a chipmunk so far except in no hunting areas. Nobody here is asking for a handout. No I can't afford a lease, but it had nothing to do with being cheap. I can barely afford tags and I had to save for months to afford the shotgun I just bought. It would take me over a year to scrape up $1500 to lease land.  You may have that kind of disposable income, but not everyone does.

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[Ned]

sounds like one guy here is to lazy to scout, to cheap to lease, not able to pas the MH test and is looking for a handout.

There is a saying about people who assume. You are at least part right though. I freely admit I could not pass MH. I have never fired a muzzle loader, I shot an arrow once at a cabelas but am pretty sure the arrow was nowhere near where I was aiming.

As to the rest you have no idea what you are talking about. I was just scouting Saturday, this is only my 3rd hunting season though and I still have no idea if the areas I have been hunting/scouting are even worth the effort because I have not seen anything bigger than a chipmunk so far except in no hunting areas. Nobody here is asking for a handout. No I can't afford a lease, but it had nothing to do with being cheap. I can barely afford tags and I had to save for months to afford the shotgun I just bought. It would take me over a year to scrape up $1500 to lease land.  You may have that kind of disposable income, but not everyone does.

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How much did that tat on your back cast?

[Atroxus]

That tat was my wedding present from my wife when we got married; iirc it was about $400. That was also 6 years ago, before I took up hunting and I have no new ink since. But feel free to keep making judgments about strangers, you are bound to be right once in awhile.

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[ribka]

I have knocked on doors for almost 40 years now. My father did it and many of my friends do it. For the price of fuel not many willing to give access for free when others put time and energy into finding areas. I budget it into my hunting season every year. And it will keep getting more exspensive.

 If I was a farmer I would not let some stranger on my land. Now you have to worry about being sued, robbed  and many people are very irresponsible and shoot lifestock. destroy or leave open fences, shoot toward occupied buildings, leave trash,  poach etc. No friggin way
 

Only solution is to buy  or lease your own land. Study and pass MH. It ain't that hard if you really want it. Or find an area and trade info with someone else on here to find an areayou want to hunt. Nothing good is free. Get out and put in your time and/or money.

Sounds like you want it for free like the Obama phone

Just because it is done by WDFW doesn't mean there are no people who would be willing to work directly with hunters though. I have a cousin that basically does the same thing for his friends on Camano island. He connects hunters with his neighbors who want deer off their land. Sadly I can't get him to do the same for me.  I see no problem with making a more organized effort to let us little people who don't have the time, or skills to become master hunters have a shot at helping small land owners who have critters eating their rosebushes, or family pets. I am not sure why so many people are determined that it not happen.

[ribka]

Get rid of your Droid, cell plan and buy a Trak phone. Get rid of internet and use library. get rid of cable sat TV . Easily save over a $2500 a year.

There's your hunting money.

 Problem solved.

People with "no money" do not know how to budget anymore

[Kola16]

Atroxus, does your wife duck hunt, or are you both getting your feet wet with it 

[KFhunter]

I didn't read a lot of the replies in the middle, but IMO

*IF* you all connected with a farmer, and he offered his land for hunting in exchange for getting rid of "pesky birds" how long until that farmer figures he's missing out on some $$ then starts charging? 

Then leases it to a guide service?

not long imo - if you want "free hunting" then you gotta work for it and protect it 
but I'm not against a private property owner charging fees - I'm all about private property rights.

cooperate property rights, that is a different discussion..

[KFhunter]

another problem is once the farmers lands become known to the masses, he's going to be pissed as people will be coming and going and he'll loose control of his property and control of those who access it.

pretty soon you got buddies of buddies of buddies coming, and a heap of garbage and people driving over fields and

GAH!!!

thats the end of that~!

[Kola16]

another problem is once the farmers lands become known to the masses, he's going to be pissed as people will be coming and going and he'll loose control of his property and control of those who access it.

pretty soon you got buddies of buddies of buddies coming, and a heap of garbage and people driving over fields and

GAH!!!

thats the end of that~!

I think that can be regulated. Depending on how big the place is, limit the amount of hunters. First come, first serve for whoever is on the program.

[Ned]

another problem is once the farmers lands become known to the masses, he's going to be pissed as people will be coming and going and he'll loose control of his property and control of those who access it.

pretty soon you got buddies of buddies of buddies coming, and a heap of garbage and people driving over fields and

GAH!!!

thats the end of that~!

Exactly what would happen.
20 guys there before daylight screaming and yelling at who was there first. Fist fights, dog fights, dog crap and garbage all over the place.

People work hard to find good places to hunt so why in the heck would they want it advertised to increase their competition and ruin their whole hunting experience?

[Atroxus]

Atroxus, does your wife duck hunt, or are you both getting your feet wet with it 

Nope, my wife hates guns and has no desire to participate in hunting at all.

Before the thread veered completely offtrack, I offered the OP to lend a hand if he decides to proceed, but it looks like the negative people managed to talk him out of it. I am just gonna take the idea and run with it myself instead. Maybe it will work, maybe not, but if I fail it won't be for lack of trying. I will post a new thread in a day or two when I hammer out some of the details that are rattling around in my head.

Those who are saying that that I am lazy, or that I should have to live like a hermit in a tin shack so I can afford to "pay to play" can kiss me where the sun don't shine. IMHO Hunting shouldn't be limited just to the rich, or those who sacrifice every creature comfort to be able to afford hunt private land. Some day I will find some public land to hunt where I can be successful, but until then I am also going to try to find private land where I might have better chances at success and while I am at it see if I can help some others get access as well.

[Kola16]

Those who are saying that that I am lazy, or that I should have to live like a hermit in a tin shack so I can afford to "pay to play" can kiss me where the sun don't shine. IMHO Hunting shouldn't be limited just to the rich, or those who sacrifice every creature comfort to be able to afford hunt private land. Some day I will find some public land to hunt where I can be successful, but until then I am also going to try to find private land where I might have better chances at success and while I am at it see if I can help some others get access as well.

You are 100% correct 

[Kola16]

another problem is once the farmers lands become known to the masses, he's going to be pissed as people will be coming and going and he'll loose control of his property and control of those who access it.

pretty soon you got buddies of buddies of buddies coming, and a heap of garbage and people driving over fields and

GAH!!!

thats the end of that~!

Exactly what would happen.
20 guys there before daylight screaming and yelling at who was there first. Fist fights, dog fights, dog crap and garbage all over the place.

People work hard to find good places to hunt so why in the heck would they want it advertised to increase their competition and ruin their whole hunting experience?

There is 2 quality hunting places where I duck hunt. It is 1 vehicle per hunting blind. I have never seen anything like that. I definitely agree with you that that can happen, but there are ways to prevent that. It is simple. There is 1 way into the spot. the first vehicle that comes, blocks the spot. That is how the 2 places I mention work.