Speer Deep Curl 300 grains, very very impressive!

[colockumelk]

Well these pictures speak for themselves. My party killed five elk this last weekend and none of them needed a follow up shot. Three took two steos and died, the other two went less than 30 yds. Here is a picture of the only bullet we recovered. 60yd shot on a spike. Went through both lungs, punched through the shoulder and stuck in the hide. This bullet is perfect. It weighed 298 grains. So it only shed 2 grains.

[carpsniperg2]

Look's like they did there job.

[colockumelk]

I would like to thank Sabotloader on here for recommending these to my brother who introduced them to me. Way better and more devastating than the Powerbelts and Hornady SSTs I have shot in the past.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Thats some good field testing!! 

[LiveandLearn]

Where do you get them? Are they a bullet made for rifle that you are converting to a muzzleloader?

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

Tagged, I thought they were only for rifles.  Where do you get muzzy bullets?

[TheHunt]

Yes, a buddy shot his cow last year with those bullets and it was a one shot kill at about 120 yards.

[TheHunt]

They are 454 casull bullets.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/719430/speer-deepcurl-bullets-454-casull-452-diameter-300-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-50

[TheHunt]

Out of a 50 cal rifle.

[LiveandLearn]

What sabot do you use?

[Sabotloader]

colockumelk

Congrats on the nice animal...That is great...

That bullet impressed me a few years back when I was testing bullets - trying to loose my need for XTP's... They stood up to my tortue testing much better than the XTP... + the .232 BC number doesn't hurt my feeling either.... I just wish Speer would make more of them faster.

[Karl Blanchard]

What sabot do you use?

The company that makes them is Speer.  The name of the bullet is the "Deep Curl"  The bullets are a hunting round made for the .454 Casull.  So they are designed to open up at slower velocities.  In order for you to use them in your muzzle loader you also have to buy the plastic "sabots" for the bullet to go in.  I use ones from Modern Muzzle Loading Products.  Specifically the long black HPH24's.  Here is a link to their website.  http://www.mmpsabots.com/  And I believe that The Hunt already posted a link for a place to buy the actual bullets. 

The bullet that was recovered out of the bullet pictured above weighed 298 grains out of an original 300 grains.  It also expanded to 1" exactly.  So it doubled its diameter.  We have killed 7 elk and 4 deer total over the last couple of years.  ALL have been extremely devestating. 

[moosedrool]

Very impressive! How would I know which sabot is the best fit for my Knight Disc Extreme?

[Sabotloader]

Very impressive! How would I know which sabot is the best fit for my Knight Disc Extreme?

Probably and most likely a MMP HPH-24 Black Sabot or a Harvester smooth black sabot, either the short version or the longer version..



Which bullet/sabot combination have you been using?

[TheHunt]

I think the Harvester is the most popular for the 50 cal muzzlestuffers. 

[Sabotloader]

I think the Harvester is the most popular for the 50 cal muzzlestuffers.

I really prefer the MMP, it has a different polymere formula that allows the sabot to fit the lands and the grooves + in cold weather it does not get as hard as does the Harvester, and for me it is easier to load.  On the other hand if you are shooting in really warm weather or with a very warm barrel the harvester does not get as soft with heat as does the MMP.

I have both Harvester and MMP's and rarely shoot the Harvester.

One thing I think you will find is that the availabilty of the Harvester in a local store is greater than the MMP.

 

[moosedrool]

Very impressive! How would I know which sabot is the best fit for my Knight Disc Extreme?

Which bullet/sabot combination have you been using?

I haven't used a bullet/ sabot combo yet. I've been toying with the idea for modern rifle season.

[Sabotloader]

Very impressive! How would I know which sabot is the best fit for my Knight Disc Extreme?

I did not pick up on the fact that you were in Oregon... and shooting conicals...

Since you indicate you are shooting a DISC Extreme... I would still suggest the HPH24 with a .452 bullet.  But locally you might only find Harvesters which will work also.

So if you were to move the regular rifle season with your DISC, what might you be hunting... Deer or Elk?

[moosedrool]

Very impressive! How would I know which sabot is the best fit for my Knight Disc Extreme?

I did not pick up on the fact that you were in Oregon... and shooting conicals...

Since you indicate you are shooting a DISC Extreme... I would still suggest the HPH24 with a .452 bullet.  But locally you might only find Harvesters which will work also.

So if you were to move the regular rifle season with your DISC, what might you be hunting... Deer or Elk?

Mike, it all depends on the tags I draw. This year, it was ML elk and modern rifle deer. Next year, hopefully both for ML season.

[Sabotloader]

Very impressive! How would I know which sabot is the best fit for my Knight Disc Extreme?

I did not pick up on the fact that you were in Oregon... and shooting conicals...

Since you indicate you are shooting a DISC Extreme... I would still suggest the HPH24 with a .452 bullet.  But locally you might only find Harvesters which will work also.

So if you were to move the regular rifle season with your DISC, what might you be hunting... Deer or Elk?

Mike, it all depends on the tags I draw. This year, it was ML elk and modern rifle deer. Next year, hopefully both for ML season.

Are you willing to venture out into the world of premium ($) bullets... not that the Deep Curl is not a very good bullet... But I have a bullet that you really might like for both animals - to 200+ yards.  But you would have to step up to a .458 (45-70) rifle bullets.

[moosedrool]

You must be talking about the Bloodline. I just don't know whether I want to spend the $$.

[colockumelk]

Moose drool. My Dad and brother bosh shoot Knight Bighorns and both use the MMP HPH-24 as do I with. T/C Black Diamond XTR. Both muzzle loaders take that sabot well.

[Sabotloader]

You must be talking about the Bloodline. I just don't know whether I want to spend the $$.

Good enough... the 300 Deep Curls will do the job very well for you.  It has a higher BC than most any other open nose bullet and its' construction makes it a very tough bullet.  Now you have to find some and some hph24 or regular harvester sabots...

This might give you an idea about what you are shooting...

[colockumelk]

And thanks again sabotloader. Your research and willingness to share your info and knowledge has helped us out alot.  And I'm sure has helped others as well. You have made this forum a much better place. 
I
 also forgot to mention that the lungs on all our elk looked like a modern rifle shot them. A ton of shock and the lungs were completely jelly.

[Sabotloader]

And thanks again sabotloader. Your research and willingness to share your info and knowledge has helped us out alot.  And I'm sure has helped others as well. You have made this forum a much better place. 

let's not carried away... I just like sharing cause a lot of folks have shared with me...

I also forgot to mention that the lungs on all our elk looked like a modern rifle shot them. A ton of shock and the lungs were completely jelly.

That is exactly what is suppose to happen with that bullet - bonded - controlled expansion ="s a lot of hydrostatic shock in the vitals...  I am really glad it worked that well for you...  I bet evem Speer would like to see those pictures and the results...

[colockumelk]

I actually have thought about sending them those pictures since they worked so well. 

[Sabotloader]

I actually have thought about sending them those pictures since they worked so well.

I certainly would send the information in - including your thoughts on the bullet...

Speer Bullets
2299 Snake River Avenue
Lewiston, ID 83501
speerexpert@atk.com

[colockumelk]

Will do thanks for the contact info.

[h2ofowlr]

What powder brand, type and amount were you using with these bullets.  I may give this a try as well.  I still have my late muzzy tag and time to give these a try.

[colockumelk]

I currently use 100g of pyrodex pellets. But as soon as I have used them all (I have 15 left) I am switching to 777 loose powder. I will stay with 100grains. Not sure if I will go with fff it ff.  Sabotloader which do you recommend. Triple F or Double F powder?

[Sabotloader]

I currently use 100g of pyrodex pellets. But as soon as I have used them all (I have 15 left) I am switching to 777 loose powder. I will stay with 100grains. Not sure if I will go with fff it ff.  Sabotloader which do you recommend. Triple F or Double F powder?

Couple of thoughts...

I use T7-3f in all of my cap guns, but basically because I hunt in really cold weather sometimes sub zero... 3f is easier to ignite and when using caps I really prefer it... If it were not for the cold weather I would use 2f all the time.  Also 3f is a bit more energetic than 2f.

Which leads to the next thought... 100 grains of loose T7 will provide more energy than 100 grains of Pyro or Pyro pellets... and of of course with the bullet you are using will handle that just fine.