I have had 3 85's. I think they are kind of cheaper manufacturing wise (I am a S&W guy). I bought them because they were great deals and then traded them or gave them away. Nothing bad to say about them really, just that they aren't Smith's but Smith's aren't Smiths these days either. They all shot well and in fact one was very, very accurate. I wouldn't be ashamed to have one, I think it will do just fine and you can't beat the warranty.