Winston Hoof Rot

[Bob33]

Bob33 can you tell me if you were in charge you would have figured this out?

Honestly, I don' t know but I doubt it. I believe a reasonable effort is being put forth. If WDFW had unlimited resources perhaps the answer would be known by now. They don't.

Since you don't want to wager, at least contact RMEF and get the information from them. They have provided WDFW with funding to study hoof rot.

[jumpin]

No offense but you all are missing the point!  THEY have done NOTHING to figure out which disease the elk have!  Not ONE single study of a live animal!  They dont care and are not going to handle this right or they would have done it already.  RMEF offered and tried to help.  It seems like they snubbed the effort, dunno what happened with this effort.  You talk about how to treat it but we have to know what kind before we treat it.  The only reason I can think is they already know and wont let public know for some reason.  Maybe its untreatable?  Our elk are in trouble and that is why I believe they are allowing the wolves to be established at St Helens.

Mudman: do you not read publications by WDFW and RMEF that contradict your statements, or do you simply believe they are all lies?

I agree with Bob33 about the wolves (wilipa hills included) I've been saying that all along.

[Mudman]

If I was to have taken your wager you would have lost.  If you read this months issue of Bugle it states that RMEF has offered financial assistance to help fund  a symposium gathering the best experts or intensive sampling and research.  Now this says offered, implying they have not accepted the help.  Ask yourself why would they not accept the help?  Something smells rotten and its not just the elk.

[Bob33]

If I was to have taken your wager you would have lost.  If you read this months issue of Bugle it states that RMEF has offered financial assistance to help fund  a symposium gathering the best experts or intensive sampling and research.  Now this says offered, implying they have not accepted the help.  Ask yourself why would they not accept the help?  Something smells rotten and its not just the elk.

Your implication may not be correct.

Go ahead and accept my wager. I give you my word I will honor it.

[bobcat]

Mudman, are you a wildlife biologist?

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Did read theRMEF article and seems the right people are addressing the hoof rot issue.

[Mudman]

Mudman, are you a wildlife biologist?

  Not at all.  I just have a hard time accepting this state really cares about this issue the way we do.  Its been ten years now.  No excuses will satisfy me.  Only an answer.  Like I said before RMEF will be responsible for the solution not our state gov.

[Mudman]

If I was to have taken your wager you would have lost.  If you read this months issue of Bugle it states that RMEF has offered financial assistance to help fund  a symposium gathering the best experts or intensive sampling and research.  Now this says offered, implying they have not accepted the help.  Ask yourself why would they not accept the help?  Something smells rotten and its not just the elk.

Your implication may not be correct.

Go ahead and accept my wager. I give you my word I will honor it.

I miss-understand you wager?  I thought you stated RMEF was not offering monies?

[headshot5]

Mudman, are you a wildlife biologist?

This is the internet.  Anybody can be whatever they want right. 

Just like you are a feline with a short tail as is accurately described by your profile name.

I do doubt there has been much in the way of live group studies on affected elk, and it is very possible the WDFW accepted money from the RMEF, they had to get office Christmas presents just a week or two ago, and fund the Christmas party.  Oh wait funds do not get re-allocated my bad. 


Modify: Please note I am joking.  Carry on.

[Mudman]

I do wish somebody asked wdfw vet. Mrs. Mansfield the question of "Is wdfw allowing you to do what you need to do to address this problem?"  I think the answer would be not exactly!   My wife works at a great Vet. hospital and she cannot believe they cant find out what hoof rot they are dealing with!  She and her co-workers know this can be accomplished.

[Bob33]

If I was to have taken your wager you would have lost.  If you read this months issue of Bugle it states that RMEF has offered financial assistance to help fund  a symposium gathering the best experts or intensive sampling and research.  Now this says offered, implying they have not accepted the help.  Ask yourself why would they not accept the help?  Something smells rotten and its not just the elk.

Your implication may not be correct.

Go ahead and accept my wager. I give you my word I will honor it.

I miss-understand you wager?  I thought you stated RMEF was not offering monies?

If you're serious about understanding what is and is not going on with RMEF and WDFW I suggest you contact RMEF directly. If you don't, then I think it's a fair assumption that you're less concerned about the facts of this than you are about some other motivation.

[Mudman]

I have contacted them and am waiting for a response.

[Curly]

Here's a herd in the Winston with much hoof rot.

Hoof Rot Elk Herd

[headshot5]

No offense but you all are missing the point!  THEY have done NOTHING to figure out which disease the elk have!  Not ONE single study of a live animal!  They don't care and are not going to handle this right or they would have done it already.  RMEF offered and tried to help.  It seems like they snubbed the effort, dunno what happened with this effort.  You talk about how to treat it but we have to know what kind before we treat it.  The only reason I can think is they already know and wont let public know for some reason.  Maybe its untreatable?  Our elk are in trouble and that is why I believe they are allowing the wolves to be established at St Helens.

I actually for the most part agree with the above statement.  They are only studying it now after it has become so widespread that it is starting to affect there income.  People are demanding new tags because the cannot eat the elk they get. 

In all reality if they were managing our resources correctly this would have been looked into 10 years ago when it was first recognized.  They have had over 10 years to determine what is causing this or at least to research it a little bit. 

In all reality they passed on researching (for the last 10 years) hoping it hoping it was less contagious than it is (My opinion). 

Of course they are making an effort now to prove they are a competent/relevant agency to manage resources because they are getting a lot of bad press. 

[Mudman]

Ya I have seen this in person many times now.  All over.  I remember seeing it in 501 years ago when it was ignored.  Very sad.