Remember Before the Election - Obama Won't Go After Guns/MagJ

[pianoman9701]

Now, I don't want to name names, MagJ (oops), but those of us who feared that the President would show his true colors in term two were then comforted by the words of HuntWA liberals who told us that he hadn't gone after guns in term one and he wouldn't in term two. Well, technically, you were correct, Mag, because it's still term one and the President and his second lady, Dianne Feinstein are going full bore for our guns. What do you have to say about it now? Where you lulled into a false sense of security by his calm manner and magnificent appeal? Did he downright do you wrong? Now that we know the real truth, how do you feel about the President's amazing change of heart? This should be good.

[sirmissalot]

Tagging this one, will be interesting what kind of garble he (and his thinking buddy) can come up with to defend his savior.

[Woodchuck]

 

[magnanimous_j]

I posted this in another thread, but it's still pretty much my official answer:


I don’t want gun restrictions any more than you do. I knew when I supported the Democrats that they tend to favor these kinds of restrictions and that was weighed heavily into my decision. At the end of the day, the Democrats pros outweighed the cons and I made a difficult choice. I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either. It’s part of being an adult and living in a world that’s mainly shades of gray.

Occasionally since the election, I’ve had tinges of buyer’s remorse and 2nd guessing, but those go away pretty quickly when I remember the carnival of nutbars the Republicans brought to the table this year. I’m not even sure that Romney would do anything differently in regards to guns, given his history with restrictions while he was a Governor. Remember, W was a supporter of the AWB and only begrudgingly let it expire, as he had bigger fish to fry at the time.

What’s important to remember, is that Feinstein is an opportunist who has been pushing gun legislation for a long time. Is the climate better now than if the Republicans were running the show? Maybe, maybe not. But her window is closing; the CT tragedy is losing steam. Most importantly, is that legislation proposed is NOT a done deal. The sheer cost of what she is proposing is enormous, especially if we go off the fiscal cliff in a few days. The NRA will fight tooth and nail, and the public will lose interest as the waters get muddied.

I’m not saying that we are guaranteed to escape this totally unscathed, but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.

[jackmaster]

oh damn cant wait to get home and see a reply from ole MAGS, he wont faulter though he thinks obama is some great savior or some *censored*..... great question pianno, my vote is still for you for next pres though... just remember i need a new job...

[jackmaster]

*censored* mags already posted 

[huntnphool]

but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.

We'll see.

[pianoman9701]

Mag, I understand this wasn't a single issue election for you as it was for me, but the fact still remains that you tried to calm our fears with "he didn't do it in the first 4, so it's unlikely he'll do it in the next". I respect the fact that you acknowledge your error, but you still try to pass it off as if it's unimportant in the big picture.

I assert Mag, that there's nothing more important to Americans than retaining their rights under the Bill of Rights, especially the 2nd Amendment. I have little doubt that with the fear mongering (even though Justice says that gun violence has plummeted since 1993), the dems will now succeed with gun control where they have failed before. If the term slippery slope ever was indicated, this is it. They will not stop with AR-15s and Bushmasters. They're coming after my .45 next, and then the little kid-next-door's .22 with the tube magazine. This is serious stuff and shouldn't be explained lightly away.

[jackmaster]

*censored* pianno your scarin me dude  seriously though, i doubt they could ever get a complete gun ban passed, i dont even think the total *censored* would agree to something as severe as that, dont people realize that this is what this country was built with? i can see them banning assault type weapons, but thats it and that will be an up hill fight for them, i dont know anyone personally that would vote for somethn like that, are they that naive to think that banning assault type guns will stop some wingnut from doing something as haneous as that again meaning shooting schools or malls or movie theatres up again...... it wont stop people from killing in mass amounts, there is alot of other ways besides guns.... maybe they should ban cell phones instead

[pianoman9701]

It will come in degrees. ARs now so they'll even get support from some gun owners. After some nut kills someone or more with a handgun, it'll be a limit on handgun mags, then on handguns. It'll take about 5 years before we're protecting the door with slingshots, and not too powerful slingshots.

[huntnphool]

i dont know anyone personally that would vote for somethn like that,

But the point you are missing Jack is that "anyone" you know are not the ones that are going to be voting on it. By voting in these liberals that actually do get to vote on it, like Mag did, you are condoning their policies and agendas, there is no arguement against it regardless how he tries. If you voted for a liberal that is going to vote in favor of banning firearms then you are voting to ban them yourself..............period!

[magnanimous_j]

This is serious stuff and shouldn't be explained lightly away.

I’m not taking this lightly. I keep my eye on this every day. And what I’ve noticed is that the people are getting bored of it. The gun control talk is getting less and less intense with each news cycle. Any movement based solely on emotion has a really short shelf life, and when the movement is against you, you just have to bare it out while it runs out of steam, and try not to make it worse.

Sometime this month, Feinstein and her goons will propose their legislation. By then, the only people who care will be the anti’s and the shooting community, just like always. I don’t promise a perfect outcome, but we have the numbers, and the money in this fight, which has played out to our favor the majority of the time. The original AWB was a joke, we knew it then and we have the actual, objective data to prove it this time. 

[mebco09]

This bill only passes if these two conditions are met:
1.  The Republicans in the House *censored* out as usual.
2.  The bill gets watered down in such a way that it has no real teeth.

Feinsteins bill outlines what they want in a perfect world.  You can analize that one and make a case that the way it is worded bans all guns, something about "weapons that have a military use", pretty vague and would include revolvers and pump shotguns.  What actually gets voted on will be a feel-good, do-nothing bill.   

[csaaphill]

Quite a lot of republicans have *censored* out already Some hard line Dems like Reid are faltering as well. Piano is very corect on how serious this *censored* is. Sure things are dying downa bit, but not Feinstein Not Sarah brady hell no They just got started.
I fear it too but a slow death which by then noone will care or even resist they'll just roll over like Australia did. 

[jaymark6655]

The new "it won't get passed" line is just as niave as the last line of the President "wont go after the guns."  Several NRA A rated people have already said they will support some type of ban.  As the intensity level falls, it happens on both sides and the pro gun people will stop pushing their representatives to do the right thing long before the anti's stop screaming.  How much stuff as gotten passed in the last four years, that most of us thought would never make it through.  I personally am still shocked that the fiscal cliff thing got settled with a tax increase and spending increases, instead of a decrease.  The biggest worry of it all, they haven't even started on the second term, they have another four years to apply pressure and work towards their goal.  With the GOP being viewed as the "party of no" on the fiscal side, there is a large push to replace GOP memebers with democrats and I don't think most people will be looking at the opponents gun stance all that closely.

[motg9_6]

there is a bill being pushed through before fiensteins bill that restricts ANY magazine over 10 rnds. look it up.

the media will loose interest but that doesn't mean that its dieing down. media barely covered fast and furious and they didn't correctly cover the embassy massacre so people didn't know what really happened. when a president should have never been reelected the media covered it up. you cannot go on what the media portrays at all.

[pianoman9701]

This bill only passes if these two conditions are met:
1.  The Republicans in the House *censored* out as usual.
2.  The bill gets watered down in such a way that it has no real teeth.

Feinsteins bill outlines what they want in a perfect world.  You can analize that one and make a case that the way it is worded bans all guns, something about "weapons that have a military use", pretty vague and would include revolvers and pump shotguns.  What actually gets voted on will be a feel-good, do-nothing bill.   

So, what you seem to be saying is "nothing to see here. Everyone can go home". Sorry, but that's not the case. We need to continue to pursue our legislators and nail down their positions. Complacency will bring more restrictions, I guarantee it.

[Alan K]

I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either.

Easiest decision I ever made. . . 

[motg9_6]

 

[pianoman9701]

I didn't like all of the positions that Romney/Ryan took, but the decision was simple. The was absolutely nothing for me to justify voting for our idiot President. The recent push for gun control, using the lives of little children as fodder for his campaign, has convinced me that I was completely correct in my choice. He has no ethics and will do absolutely anything to achieve his personal goals. As is the mantra in far left liberal dogma, the end always justifies the means.

[pianoman9701]

Guys, no name calling. Keep it civil or I'll nuke your posts. I've edited one response.

[bearpaw]

I had to go through and censor the profanity, please clean up the language, I am another topic closer to implementing bans for profanity.

[motg9_6]

i posted this link in a another thread but i believe it requires being scattered everywhere.
a must read

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/

[rickomatic]

Wenatcheejay is 100% correct in that it is mags and his like who bear a much greater responsibility in waging the upcoming battle. I am doing whatever I can from sending money to the NRA, and contacting my federal and state reps. But it those who were warned about the ramifications of supporting Obama and his ilk, yet did so anyway who have to take a more active role in this battle.

[Wenatcheejay]

Mags, it seems I may have been offensive to you, moderators and owners and if so I apologize. I am taken back by it to be honest. But I yield and removed my other posts on this thread.

It seems the future of this Nation and the Constitution will rest with people like you. I truly believe the Republicans and all those who follow them are to weak minded to deal with the new political style of Democrats. I hope to be proven wrong but fear I am not.

To be honest, I give up.

[xd2005]

The important thing is those that did vote Democratic to call Senators and Representatives. Explain they voted for them for "x" reason, but that gun control measures are non negotiable and will result in a loss of their vote. Many of us cannot do that, but those that can NEED to.

Also, don't take your eyes off the state. While the state senate has republican leadership, that's due to democrats voting with the republicans, mostly for financial alliances. In actuality, both house and senate in WA are democratic.

[Fishstiq]

To be honest, I give up.

IMO, that right there is the problem. 

WJay, I agree with a lot of your posts, and in person I think we would get along pretty well.  Please don't take this personally, but that attitude is exactly the problem.  People get sick of the anti's whining and constant attacks, assume they will loose something even if it's just a "feel good, little thing", and give up.

That can never happen.

It's like waves crashing on the shore, removing one grain of sand at a time from a beach.  Folks, it's time to stop being the beach.  That little beach just keeps taking it, and eventually loses everything, because like a weak and whiny little beach, she just sits there and does nothing and never fights back.

Personally, I'm not gonna be anyone's little beach.  I'm gonna be the ocean.  I choose to be one of those who pounds relentlessly, slowly eroding every threat and blockage to liberty and freedom.  Wave after wave of constitutionally supported efforts to return the rights and liberties we have already lost, bringing our little beaches in government back down to size from the giant sand hills they have become.  Like an ocean, we must never tire of the efforts necessary to maintain a proper balance.  Remind politicians that their oath of office was to uphold and defend our constitution, and to serve the best interests of this country and her citizens.

Now is not the time for anyone who believes in our freedoms and liberty and 2nd amendment rights to quit.  Don't choose to be the little beach.  Choose to be the ocean.

[csaaphill]

ya we need to watch our states as well.

[Special T]

FishStiq, I would agree with you that it is vigilance and incremental change that makes the Dems success full, and most Republicans fail. Honestly the only way many conservative states are going to survive is by being PRO active and put 2nd amendment,Hunting farming rights etc into their State constitutions. The bar has to be set VERY high to surpass a 2/3rd vote. I only wish that some of the republicans in this state had thought of being proactive back in the 80's

[Elkaholic daWg]

i posted this link in a another thread but i believe it requires being scattered everywhere.
a must read

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/

Got that one in an email today,and oh so true

[Wenatcheejay]

To be honest, I give up.

IMO, that right there is the problem. 

WJay, I agree with a lot of your posts, and in person I think we would get along pretty well.  Please don't take this personally, but that attitude is exactly the problem.  People get sick of the anti's whining and constant attacks, assume they will loose something even if it's just a "feel good, little thing", and give up.

That can never happen.

It's like waves crashing on the shore, removing one grain of sand at a time from a beach.  Folks, it's time to stop being the beach.  That little beach just keeps taking it, and eventually loses everything, because like a weak and whiny little beach, she just sits there and does nothing and never fights back.

Personally, I'm not gonna be anyone's little beach.  I'm gonna be the ocean.  I choose to be one of those who pounds relentlessly, slowly eroding every threat and blockage to liberty and freedom.  Wave after wave of constitutionally supported efforts to return the rights and liberties we have already lost, bringing our little beaches in government back down to size from the giant sand hills they have become.  Like an ocean, we must never tire of the efforts necessary to maintain a proper balance.  Remind politicians that their oath of office was to uphold and defend our constitution, and to serve the best interests of this country and her citizens.

Now is not the time for anyone who believes in our freedoms and liberty and 2nd amendment rights to quit.  Don't choose to be the little beach.  Choose to be the ocean.

I may be the problem. 

Lets see, I vote, I write letters to Representatives and Senators, I rallied with Rob Mckenna, I wrote Wayne at the NRA. I donate descent amounts of money to what I believe in, I am not afraid to speak my mind.

However things are so tilted to the tolerant why bother with politics here? That is what I mean by "I give up." It is the debate that was started by this thread. "No name calling but we are calling a single member on the thread by name." And honestly, Mags was pretty stand up about it. And it's not to pick on the thread, it's a fair question.

My intention or reason to post on the thread is, isn't there any common ground with the liberal minded or Union minded, or Just those that support the Democrats, that the Conservative, Capitalist, Republican, Libertarian, or the "I just don't care crowd?" Can we come together on something this important? Democrats are in power, and "The Power" wants to severely restrict and try to control guns in the Country. There is an flat out call to do away with the Constitution by some. There is talk of taking a rope, tying it around the neck of Republicans and dragging them around behind a truck until they see logic. Isn't all this worth publicly condemning?

But here, we will worry about things like silly words and which ones to ban. Behavior matters, I get it. But what should be scary to the little kids here is if things continue on track they will have no future. The worst word is
$22,000,000,000,000. The worse word will be when Mom and Dad see what will be missing from their paycheck, Grandpa and Grandma to. They will have a few bad words. But, it is wrong to not be nice. They take and take but, we need to be nice. We talk of "tolerance" but removing guns will remove "tolerance" on a level that has not been seen in this nation for a long, long time. Everyone watch.

This thread should have been moved to speak your mind IMO. But again, rather than worry about words, and namecalling on a thread that calls a person out by name. (One I respect for being stand up about it.)

I will just give up.

This is a hunting site. It is not a political activist site.

I speak a lot about politics because it has effected how and where I hunt. There have been people who inspired me to speak out. I have shown up to WDFW meeting and been alone, literally outnumbered by WDFW employees at the meetings. (Course I am a member of one.) So WFW seemed like an idea for an alliance.

I had hoped that current events would organize people. All of us. Until people are ready to come to the  I am better off to just save my time & build an AR. (I mean train.)

That is what I mean by "I give up."

Maybe someday people will come to my camp but for now I don't think many are there. We have been kept in a constant state of crisis for years. There is no time for debate and all things must be done at an emergency pace. They would never be done otherwise. This will be more of the same in the weeks to come. No time for law no time for debate. But everyone, remember to be tolerant, it is nice.

[hillbilli]

Jay, when i get back from overseas I have to see where this campfire of yours in and come hang out..

[Bigshooter]

I posted this in another thread, but it's still pretty much my official answer:


I don’t want gun restrictions any more than you do. I knew when I supported the Democrats that they tend to favor these kinds of restrictions and that was weighed heavily into my decision. At the end of the day, the Democrats pros outweighed the cons and I made a difficult choice. I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either. It’s part of being an adult and living in a world that’s mainly shades of gray.

Occasionally since the election, I’ve had tinges of buyer’s remorse and 2nd guessing, but those go away pretty quickly when I remember the carnival of nutbars the Republicans brought to the table this year. I’m not even sure that Romney would do anything differently in regards to guns, given his history with restrictions while he was a Governor. Remember, W was a supporter of the AWB and only begrudgingly let it expire, as he had bigger fish to fry at the time.

What’s important to remember, is that Feinstein is an opportunist who has been pushing gun legislation for a long time. Is the climate better now than if the Republicans were running the show? Maybe, maybe not. But her window is closing; the CT tragedy is losing steam. Most importantly, is that legislation proposed is NOT a done deal. The sheer cost of what she is proposing is enormous, especially if we go off the fiscal cliff in a few days. The NRA will fight tooth and nail, and the public will lose interest as the waters get muddied.

I’m not saying that we are guaranteed to escape this totally unscathed, but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.

Only because us nutjob republicans will fight it. 

[Fishstiq]

Jay, I meant no offense and like I said I agree with a lot of what you have to say.  I'm agreeing again now, your post is absolutely correct.  We are more divided in this country right now than we have been in my lifetime.  Poor vs wealthy, libs vs conservatives, govt vs business, citizens vs illegals, pro vs anti, and the list goes on.  Sadly, with the strategy of divide and conquer that is being used on this country right now, I really have some serious doubts about Americans coming together on any one issue. 

Apologies if my post came across poorly, but I do not believe that right now is the time to quit on any front.  My hat is off to you for your time and effort being an activist for what you believe in; it's a good reminder that I need to be more active than I am. 

As for the board asking us to play nice...     it's not my ball, my bat or my field, so if I wanna play I guess I'll play nice....here. 

Oh, and as to the OP...  Mags, if/when they say it's time to register or turn in your guns, I'm curious, what will you do?

[magnanimous_j]

Oh, and as to the OP...  Mags, if/when they say it's time to register or turn in your guns, I'm curious, what will you do?

Nothing I CAN do, all my guns were lost is a tragic boating accident.

[Bofire]

  Yup I was standing there at the boat ramp when Mags boat flipped, funny thing is he saw my boat go down also!!? See we can agree

[300rum]

You should have saved the guns instead of Mags!  J/K   

Yup I was standing there at the boat ramp when Mags boat flipped, funny thing is he saw my boat go down also!!? See we can agree

[magnanimous_j]

Yup I was standing there at the boat ramp when Mags boat flipped, funny thing is he saw my boat go down also!!? See we can agree

It was a really expensive day for all of us.

[pianoman9701]

Now, we're talking about an executive order to restrict the 2nd Amendment. This is a power grab by a guy who started out by telling us that he would work within the checks and balances framework of the Constitution. It's incredible to me that the whole Congress isn't screaming on the floor this morning that our system of government is being side-stepped by a monarch-wanna-be.

[Heredoggydoggy]

Wait until the State figures out that the stupid gun ban is costing them money.  I hunt with my AR15s.  When they are made illegal, there will be no need to buy a hunting license any more.  besides, I sold all my guns to a guy named Jose--or was it Arturo--or Ramon--I don't remember....  

[motg9_6]

that dang Jose cleaned me out also. kinda have sellers remorse right now.

[jaymark6655]

I thought I would never sell, but Eric Holder offerred me more than enough money for me to reconsider.

[Wenatcheejay]

Wait until the State figures out that the stupid gun ban is costing them money.  I hunt with my AR15s.  When they are made illegal, there will be no need to buy a hunting license any more.  besides, I sold all my guns to a guy named Jose--or was it Arturo--or Ramon--I don't remember....  

Really I sold mine to a guy who goes by Mag's!

[Heredoggydoggy]

I thought I would never sell, but Eric Holder offerred me more than enough money for me to reconsider.

Doesn't matter--they'll all go to the same place, Si Senor? 

[C-Money]

I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either.

Easiest decision I ever made. . . 

Yup. No brainer'. Romney would not be supporting a gun banning party like the load of crap bo is stirring up.

[Special T]

Voting for John McCain was a lot harder than Mitt Romney. 

[pianoman9701]

Voting for John McCain was a lot harder than Mitt Romney. 

Faced with Obama as the alternative, that vote was just as easy. I would have voted for Groucho Marx over Obama in either election.

[Special T]

It was harder for 2 reasons. McCain gave me very lttile reason to vote for him, and we didn't know for certain/the extent that Obama would try to destroy America.

for the 2nd elevet we KNEW what kind of leader Obama was, and while i was not overly enthusiastic about Romney It was easy to pull the lever for him.

[pianoman9701]

It was harder for 2 reasons. McCain gave me very lttile reason to vote for him, and we didn't know for certain/the extent that Obama would try to destroy America.

for the 2nd elevet we KNEW what kind of leader Obama was, and while i was not overly enthusiastic about Romney It was easy to pull the lever for him.

I knew it from the time he became a candidate. The Rev. Wright was the first indication. The next was his schooling at Columbia.