Remember Before the Election - Obama Won't Go After Guns/MagJ

[pianoman9701]

Now, I don't want to name names, MagJ (oops), but those of us who feared that the President would show his true colors in term two were then comforted by the words of HuntWA liberals who told us that he hadn't gone after guns in term one and he wouldn't in term two. Well, technically, you were correct, Mag, because it's still term one and the President and his second lady, Dianne Feinstein are going full bore for our guns. What do you have to say about it now? Where you lulled into a false sense of security by his calm manner and magnificent appeal? Did he downright do you wrong? Now that we know the real truth, how do you feel about the President's amazing change of heart? This should be good.

[sirmissalot]

Tagging this one, will be interesting what kind of garble he (and his thinking buddy) can come up with to defend his savior.

[Woodchuck]

 

[magnanimous_j]

I posted this in another thread, but it's still pretty much my official answer:


I don’t want gun restrictions any more than you do. I knew when I supported the Democrats that they tend to favor these kinds of restrictions and that was weighed heavily into my decision. At the end of the day, the Democrats pros outweighed the cons and I made a difficult choice. I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either. It’s part of being an adult and living in a world that’s mainly shades of gray.

Occasionally since the election, I’ve had tinges of buyer’s remorse and 2nd guessing, but those go away pretty quickly when I remember the carnival of nutbars the Republicans brought to the table this year. I’m not even sure that Romney would do anything differently in regards to guns, given his history with restrictions while he was a Governor. Remember, W was a supporter of the AWB and only begrudgingly let it expire, as he had bigger fish to fry at the time.

What’s important to remember, is that Feinstein is an opportunist who has been pushing gun legislation for a long time. Is the climate better now than if the Republicans were running the show? Maybe, maybe not. But her window is closing; the CT tragedy is losing steam. Most importantly, is that legislation proposed is NOT a done deal. The sheer cost of what she is proposing is enormous, especially if we go off the fiscal cliff in a few days. The NRA will fight tooth and nail, and the public will lose interest as the waters get muddied.

I’m not saying that we are guaranteed to escape this totally unscathed, but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.

[jackmaster]

oh damn cant wait to get home and see a reply from ole MAGS, he wont faulter though he thinks obama is some great savior or some *censored*..... great question pianno, my vote is still for you for next pres though... just remember i need a new job...

[jackmaster]

*censored* mags already posted 

[huntnphool]

but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.

We'll see.

[pianoman9701]

Mag, I understand this wasn't a single issue election for you as it was for me, but the fact still remains that you tried to calm our fears with "he didn't do it in the first 4, so it's unlikely he'll do it in the next". I respect the fact that you acknowledge your error, but you still try to pass it off as if it's unimportant in the big picture.

I assert Mag, that there's nothing more important to Americans than retaining their rights under the Bill of Rights, especially the 2nd Amendment. I have little doubt that with the fear mongering (even though Justice says that gun violence has plummeted since 1993), the dems will now succeed with gun control where they have failed before. If the term slippery slope ever was indicated, this is it. They will not stop with AR-15s and Bushmasters. They're coming after my .45 next, and then the little kid-next-door's .22 with the tube magazine. This is serious stuff and shouldn't be explained lightly away.

[jackmaster]

*censored* pianno your scarin me dude  seriously though, i doubt they could ever get a complete gun ban passed, i dont even think the total *censored* would agree to something as severe as that, dont people realize that this is what this country was built with? i can see them banning assault type weapons, but thats it and that will be an up hill fight for them, i dont know anyone personally that would vote for somethn like that, are they that naive to think that banning assault type guns will stop some wingnut from doing something as haneous as that again meaning shooting schools or malls or movie theatres up again...... it wont stop people from killing in mass amounts, there is alot of other ways besides guns.... maybe they should ban cell phones instead

[pianoman9701]

It will come in degrees. ARs now so they'll even get support from some gun owners. After some nut kills someone or more with a handgun, it'll be a limit on handgun mags, then on handguns. It'll take about 5 years before we're protecting the door with slingshots, and not too powerful slingshots.

[huntnphool]

i dont know anyone personally that would vote for somethn like that,

But the point you are missing Jack is that "anyone" you know are not the ones that are going to be voting on it. By voting in these liberals that actually do get to vote on it, like Mag did, you are condoning their policies and agendas, there is no arguement against it regardless how he tries. If you voted for a liberal that is going to vote in favor of banning firearms then you are voting to ban them yourself..............period!

[magnanimous_j]

This is serious stuff and shouldn't be explained lightly away.

I’m not taking this lightly. I keep my eye on this every day. And what I’ve noticed is that the people are getting bored of it. The gun control talk is getting less and less intense with each news cycle. Any movement based solely on emotion has a really short shelf life, and when the movement is against you, you just have to bare it out while it runs out of steam, and try not to make it worse.

Sometime this month, Feinstein and her goons will propose their legislation. By then, the only people who care will be the anti’s and the shooting community, just like always. I don’t promise a perfect outcome, but we have the numbers, and the money in this fight, which has played out to our favor the majority of the time. The original AWB was a joke, we knew it then and we have the actual, objective data to prove it this time. 

[mebco09]

This bill only passes if these two conditions are met:
1.  The Republicans in the House *censored* out as usual.
2.  The bill gets watered down in such a way that it has no real teeth.

Feinsteins bill outlines what they want in a perfect world.  You can analize that one and make a case that the way it is worded bans all guns, something about "weapons that have a military use", pretty vague and would include revolvers and pump shotguns.  What actually gets voted on will be a feel-good, do-nothing bill.   

[csaaphill]

Quite a lot of republicans have *censored* out already Some hard line Dems like Reid are faltering as well. Piano is very corect on how serious this *censored* is. Sure things are dying downa bit, but not Feinstein Not Sarah brady hell no They just got started.
I fear it too but a slow death which by then noone will care or even resist they'll just roll over like Australia did. 

[jaymark6655]

The new "it won't get passed" line is just as niave as the last line of the President "wont go after the guns."  Several NRA A rated people have already said they will support some type of ban.  As the intensity level falls, it happens on both sides and the pro gun people will stop pushing their representatives to do the right thing long before the anti's stop screaming.  How much stuff as gotten passed in the last four years, that most of us thought would never make it through.  I personally am still shocked that the fiscal cliff thing got settled with a tax increase and spending increases, instead of a decrease.  The biggest worry of it all, they haven't even started on the second term, they have another four years to apply pressure and work towards their goal.  With the GOP being viewed as the "party of no" on the fiscal side, there is a large push to replace GOP memebers with democrats and I don't think most people will be looking at the opponents gun stance all that closely.