Remember Before the Election - Obama Won't Go After Guns/MagJ

[Wenatcheejay]

To be honest, I give up.

IMO, that right there is the problem. 

WJay, I agree with a lot of your posts, and in person I think we would get along pretty well.  Please don't take this personally, but that attitude is exactly the problem.  People get sick of the anti's whining and constant attacks, assume they will loose something even if it's just a "feel good, little thing", and give up.

That can never happen.

It's like waves crashing on the shore, removing one grain of sand at a time from a beach.  Folks, it's time to stop being the beach.  That little beach just keeps taking it, and eventually loses everything, because like a weak and whiny little beach, she just sits there and does nothing and never fights back.

Personally, I'm not gonna be anyone's little beach.  I'm gonna be the ocean.  I choose to be one of those who pounds relentlessly, slowly eroding every threat and blockage to liberty and freedom.  Wave after wave of constitutionally supported efforts to return the rights and liberties we have already lost, bringing our little beaches in government back down to size from the giant sand hills they have become.  Like an ocean, we must never tire of the efforts necessary to maintain a proper balance.  Remind politicians that their oath of office was to uphold and defend our constitution, and to serve the best interests of this country and her citizens.

Now is not the time for anyone who believes in our freedoms and liberty and 2nd amendment rights to quit.  Don't choose to be the little beach.  Choose to be the ocean.

I may be the problem. 

Lets see, I vote, I write letters to Representatives and Senators, I rallied with Rob Mckenna, I wrote Wayne at the NRA. I donate descent amounts of money to what I believe in, I am not afraid to speak my mind.

However things are so tilted to the tolerant why bother with politics here? That is what I mean by "I give up." It is the debate that was started by this thread. "No name calling but we are calling a single member on the thread by name." And honestly, Mags was pretty stand up about it. And it's not to pick on the thread, it's a fair question.

My intention or reason to post on the thread is, isn't there any common ground with the liberal minded or Union minded, or Just those that support the Democrats, that the Conservative, Capitalist, Republican, Libertarian, or the "I just don't care crowd?" Can we come together on something this important? Democrats are in power, and "The Power" wants to severely restrict and try to control guns in the Country. There is an flat out call to do away with the Constitution by some. There is talk of taking a rope, tying it around the neck of Republicans and dragging them around behind a truck until they see logic. Isn't all this worth publicly condemning?

But here, we will worry about things like silly words and which ones to ban. Behavior matters, I get it. But what should be scary to the little kids here is if things continue on track they will have no future. The worst word is
$22,000,000,000,000. The worse word will be when Mom and Dad see what will be missing from their paycheck, Grandpa and Grandma to. They will have a few bad words. But, it is wrong to not be nice. They take and take but, we need to be nice. We talk of "tolerance" but removing guns will remove "tolerance" on a level that has not been seen in this nation for a long, long time. Everyone watch.

This thread should have been moved to speak your mind IMO. But again, rather than worry about words, and namecalling on a thread that calls a person out by name. (One I respect for being stand up about it.)

I will just give up.

This is a hunting site. It is not a political activist site.

I speak a lot about politics because it has effected how and where I hunt. There have been people who inspired me to speak out. I have shown up to WDFW meeting and been alone, literally outnumbered by WDFW employees at the meetings. (Course I am a member of one.) So WFW seemed like an idea for an alliance.

I had hoped that current events would organize people. All of us. Until people are ready to come to the  I am better off to just save my time & build an AR. (I mean train.)

That is what I mean by "I give up."

Maybe someday people will come to my camp but for now I don't think many are there. We have been kept in a constant state of crisis for years. There is no time for debate and all things must be done at an emergency pace. They would never be done otherwise. This will be more of the same in the weeks to come. No time for law no time for debate. But everyone, remember to be tolerant, it is nice.

[hillbilli]

Jay, when i get back from overseas I have to see where this campfire of yours in and come hang out..

[Bigshooter]

I posted this in another thread, but it's still pretty much my official answer:


I don’t want gun restrictions any more than you do. I knew when I supported the Democrats that they tend to favor these kinds of restrictions and that was weighed heavily into my decision. At the end of the day, the Democrats pros outweighed the cons and I made a difficult choice. I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either. It’s part of being an adult and living in a world that’s mainly shades of gray.

Occasionally since the election, I’ve had tinges of buyer’s remorse and 2nd guessing, but those go away pretty quickly when I remember the carnival of nutbars the Republicans brought to the table this year. I’m not even sure that Romney would do anything differently in regards to guns, given his history with restrictions while he was a Governor. Remember, W was a supporter of the AWB and only begrudgingly let it expire, as he had bigger fish to fry at the time.

What’s important to remember, is that Feinstein is an opportunist who has been pushing gun legislation for a long time. Is the climate better now than if the Republicans were running the show? Maybe, maybe not. But her window is closing; the CT tragedy is losing steam. Most importantly, is that legislation proposed is NOT a done deal. The sheer cost of what she is proposing is enormous, especially if we go off the fiscal cliff in a few days. The NRA will fight tooth and nail, and the public will lose interest as the waters get muddied.

I’m not saying that we are guaranteed to escape this totally unscathed, but I personally don’t believe it will be nearly as bad as the AWB, and nowhere near the falling skies and last stand scenarios that are getting bandied around the internet these days.

Only because us nutjob republicans will fight it. 

[Fishstiq]

Jay, I meant no offense and like I said I agree with a lot of what you have to say.  I'm agreeing again now, your post is absolutely correct.  We are more divided in this country right now than we have been in my lifetime.  Poor vs wealthy, libs vs conservatives, govt vs business, citizens vs illegals, pro vs anti, and the list goes on.  Sadly, with the strategy of divide and conquer that is being used on this country right now, I really have some serious doubts about Americans coming together on any one issue. 

Apologies if my post came across poorly, but I do not believe that right now is the time to quit on any front.  My hat is off to you for your time and effort being an activist for what you believe in; it's a good reminder that I need to be more active than I am. 

As for the board asking us to play nice...     it's not my ball, my bat or my field, so if I wanna play I guess I'll play nice....here. 

Oh, and as to the OP...  Mags, if/when they say it's time to register or turn in your guns, I'm curious, what will you do?

[magnanimous_j]

Oh, and as to the OP...  Mags, if/when they say it's time to register or turn in your guns, I'm curious, what will you do?

Nothing I CAN do, all my guns were lost is a tragic boating accident.

[Bofire]

  Yup I was standing there at the boat ramp when Mags boat flipped, funny thing is he saw my boat go down also!!? See we can agree

[300rum]

You should have saved the guns instead of Mags!  J/K   

Yup I was standing there at the boat ramp when Mags boat flipped, funny thing is he saw my boat go down also!!? See we can agree

[magnanimous_j]

Yup I was standing there at the boat ramp when Mags boat flipped, funny thing is he saw my boat go down also!!? See we can agree

It was a really expensive day for all of us.

[pianoman9701]

Now, we're talking about an executive order to restrict the 2nd Amendment. This is a power grab by a guy who started out by telling us that he would work within the checks and balances framework of the Constitution. It's incredible to me that the whole Congress isn't screaming on the floor this morning that our system of government is being side-stepped by a monarch-wanna-be.

[Heredoggydoggy]

Wait until the State figures out that the stupid gun ban is costing them money.  I hunt with my AR15s.  When they are made illegal, there will be no need to buy a hunting license any more.  besides, I sold all my guns to a guy named Jose--or was it Arturo--or Ramon--I don't remember....  

[motg9_6]

that dang Jose cleaned me out also. kinda have sellers remorse right now.

[jaymark6655]

I thought I would never sell, but Eric Holder offerred me more than enough money for me to reconsider.

[Wenatcheejay]

Wait until the State figures out that the stupid gun ban is costing them money.  I hunt with my AR15s.  When they are made illegal, there will be no need to buy a hunting license any more.  besides, I sold all my guns to a guy named Jose--or was it Arturo--or Ramon--I don't remember....  

Really I sold mine to a guy who goes by Mag's!

[Heredoggydoggy]

I thought I would never sell, but Eric Holder offerred me more than enough money for me to reconsider.

Doesn't matter--they'll all go to the same place, Si Senor? 

[C-Money]

I would assume that for most of you, the choice to vote Republican wasn’t totally easy either.

Easiest decision I ever made. . . 

Yup. No brainer'. Romney would not be supporting a gun banning party like the load of crap bo is stirring up.