Glock 20 10mm

[Northway]

Thanks; this thread has provided a lot of valuable information.

Would anyone mind explaining the benefits of "swapping out barrels" on a gun? Is that meant to accomodate different bullets, or is it also a quality thing?

It would be great to end up with a gun that could theoretically provide protection against a brown bear, but it's not necessarily the primary concern. Only a small fraction of my time as of late has been spent in established griz country where sightings are a common occurence. After watching videos of bluff charges in dense vegetation, I have no expectation of getting more than a shot or two off if the gun is immediately handy. I would just hope to be able to discharge enough additional rounds to have an impact before my skull got crushed between its jaws.

Also, if I went with a ported option to try and reduce the kick, does it have a huge impact on how loud the discharge is?

[high country]

Northway, ported guns do a good job of reducing muzzle flip and time to get back on target.......BUT, if you shoot one in failing light, you are screwed by the flash and may only be good for one shot....imagine someone blasting you with a camera in the dark while you focus on the camera, it's a bad deal. The noise is most defiantly louder to a dangerous level.....although in a defense situation, you will not care, but the flash will screw you.

I run the 329pd 95% of the time and in fact I carry it as my hunting weapon occasionally for deer and bear. I have killed with a few different bullets and I am pleased with the results.

To compare a Wa griz to a brownie is to compare a semi to a Prius.....our bears are just not even in the same league.....at least the 200 or so that I have seen.

I really like the 10mm and am currently on the hunt for a 20sf for woods packing, but if I intend to purposely put myself close to a bear, I will take my 329 for sure. Yes it recoils more, yes my shot to shot time will be 1.5x that of the glock, and yes I will only have 6 shots....but I have not HAD to shoot anything more than twice with a 44 and one was a deer that I shot 20 years ago and I was not in the same league as I am today.

It won't matter which you choose, just become intimate with it and shoot it well, have nerves of steel, make that first shot your best shot and the rest is out of your control.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Northway, ported guns do a good job of reducing muzzle flip and time to get back on target.......BUT, if you shoot one in failing light, you are screwed by the flash and may only be good for one shot....imagine someone blasting you with a camera in the dark while you focus on the camera, it's a bad deal. The noise is most defiantly louder to a dangerous level.....although in a defense situation, you will not care, but the flash will screw you.

I run the 329pd 95% of the time and in fact I carry it as my hunting weapon occasionally for deer and bear. I have killed with a few different bullets and I am pleased with the results.

To compare a Wa griz to a brownie is to compare a semi to a Prius.....our bears are just not even in the same league.....at least the 200 or so that I have seen.

I really like the 10mm and am currently on the hunt for a 20sf for woods packing, but if I intend to purposely put myself close to a bear, I will take my 329 for sure. Yes it recoils more, yes my shot to shot time will be 1.5x that of the glock, and yes I will only have 6 shots....but I have not HAD to shoot anything more than twice with a 44 and one was a deer that I shot 20 years ago and I was not in the same league as I am today.

It won't matter which you choose, just become intimate with it and shoot it well, have nerves of steel, make that first shot your best shot and the rest is out of your control.

 

Good perspective.

[Northway]

I think you'll find most of the responses regarding that weapon to scream awesomeness. The biggest gripe with Glocks is the grip size. I think if you pick up a Gen 4 with changeable back straps you will get more of a custom fit. I have a glock 22 and I would swap it in a heartbeat for a G20. I only ever carry it in the woods and I think the 10mm would be more fitting in that setting.

I think I'm going to wait to get my hands on a Gen 4. They said they were at least three months out at Wade's due to the increased demand, but hopefully I can find one somewhere else at a more reasonable price. They had a .45 Sf that is supposed to have a similar grip to the gen 4, and it seemed about right. They won't even quote MSRP in this market right now. 

Some of the gun shops are so busy lately it's like going to the DMV.......

[Fl0und3rz]

Would anyone mind explaining the benefits of "swapping out barrels" on a gun? Is that meant to accomodate different bullets, or is it also a quality thing?

On Glocks, it is generally accepted that chambers are looser on stock barrels and that the stock barrels have the feed ramp intruding on the chamber leading to what's called an unsupported chamber. In addition, Glock's polygonal rifling is not approved by Glock, IRRC, for shooting lead bullets, nor is it recommended as it is said to lead to increased tendency of barrel leading. 

By swapping to an aftermarket barrel, you can get one with traditional rifling, which has less tendency to lead foul the barrel, a tighter chamber, and/or a fully supported chamber, which can reduce wear on brass (no Glock smiles) and/or support the use of hotter loads without concern for the unsupported chamber in stock Glock barrels.

[bowhunter74]

Would anyone mind explaining the benefits of "swapping out barrels" on a gun? Is that meant to accomodate different bullets, or is it also a quality thing?

On Glocks, it is generally accepted that chambers are looser on stock barrels and that the stock barrels have the feed ramp intruding on the chamber leading to what's called an unsupported chamber. In addition, Glock's polygonal rifling is not approved by Glock, IRRC, for shooting lead bullets, nor is it recommended as it is said to lead to increased tendency of barrel leading. 

By swapping to an aftermarket barrel, you can get one with traditional rifling, which has less tendency to lead foul the barrel, a tighter chamber, and/or a fully supported chamber, which can reduce wear on brass (no Glock smiles) and/or support the use of hotter loads without concern for the unsupported chamber in stock Glock barrels.

You can also get conversion barrels from KKM or Lone Wolf for around $100 that will allow you to shoot .40S&W or .357SIG out of your Glock 20.  All you do is drop in the new barrel, load up your 10mm mags with the different caliber rounds and you are good to go.  Just make sure you match up what rounds you have in the mag with the barrel you currently have in the gun if you are changing back and forth between different calibers at the range. 

[high country]

I found two at white elephant today.....I came home with the 20sf for $549.00 new with two hi cap mags.

[KFhunter]

I'd wager a glass of beer a bear can cover 75 - 100 yards before an average hunter can recognize the threat, commit to it, drop a backpack or bow or whatever else is being carried or in the way, lift their camo jacket, dig out the gun, fix whatever its hung up on, then draw and fire.  I'd also wager a bet that most charges start from a lot closer, like 30 yards.  I know some of you are better prepared than that, but still I bet it'll cover 50 yards if it took you by surprise and that is being generous. 

The bear busting out 50 feet away will be on any hunter that doesn't know its coming and hasn't readied themselves.

It'll be gnawing on your face, or it'll have turned and you'll be looking at it's butt through your sights.


I'm with DB on this, that charging bear has until I can get it in my sights to turn, I won't shoot one in the rump that's running away unless it has bitten me or someone else.

I'd also like to add to DB's post that I'd rather not educate a bear either.  One that has gotten away with charging a human and been rewarded for the effort (stringer of fish, cooler of lunch meat etc) will do it again and again - and eventually may take it further.   I for one won't be doing any educating like this.  If I got a stringer of fish on the beach and a blackie comes charging it's going to eat lead or turn.  I'll be standing on the fish, and if it tries to take em from under my feet it'll be eating lead.   Otherwise it'll do it again and again, and someone gonna get hurt by it.

[KFhunter]

Would anyone mind explaining the benefits of "swapping out barrels" on a gun? Is that meant to accomodate different bullets, or is it also a quality thing?

On Glocks, it is generally accepted that chambers are looser on stock barrels and that the stock barrels have the feed ramp intruding on the chamber leading to what's called an unsupported chamber. In addition, Glock's polygonal rifling is not approved by Glock, IRRC, for shooting lead bullets, nor is it recommended as it is said to lead to increased tendency of barrel leading. 

By swapping to an aftermarket barrel, you can get one with traditional rifling, which has less tendency to lead foul the barrel, a tighter chamber, and/or a fully supported chamber, which can reduce wear on brass (no Glock smiles) and/or support the use of hotter loads without concern for the unsupported chamber in stock Glock barrels.

You can also get conversion barrels from KKM or Lone Wolf for around $100 that will allow you to shoot .40S&W or .357SIG out of your Glock 20.  All you do is drop in the new barrel, load up your 10mm mags with the different caliber rounds and you are good to go.  Just make sure you match up what rounds you have in the mag with the barrel you currently have in the gun if you are changing back and forth between different calibers at the range.

Gotta match springs too - a stock Glock 20 10mm spring will cycle .40 S&W fine but the brass won't throw as far as it should.  I use the stock glock spring for my lone wolf .40S&W conversion. 

I had to upgrade the stock spring to shoot the heavy 10mm stuff, it's setup for the weaker FBI loads you mostly find off the shelves at sporting goods stores which isn't much of any difference than .40S&W

[actionshooter]

I found two at white elephant today.....I came home with the 20sf for $549.00 new with two hi cap mags.

Right on.... thats a good deal

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I'd wager a glass of beer a bear can cover 75 - 100 yards before an average hunter can recognize the threat, commit to it, drop a backpack or bow or whatever else is being carried or in the way, lift their camo jacket, dig out the gun, fix whatever its hung up on, then draw and fire.  I'd also wager a bet that most charges start from a lot closer, like 30 yards.  I know some of you are better prepared than that, but still I bet it'll cover 50 yards if it took you by surprise and that is being generous. 

The bear busting out 50 feet away will be on any hunter that doesn't know its coming and hasn't readied themselves.

It'll be gnawing on your face, or it'll have turned and you'll be looking at it's butt through your sights.

It depends on the situation. Every uncomfortable bear situation I have been faced with I would have had time to draw and shoot. I once took a sow and two cubs by surprise. The two cubs scurried up a tree and the Mom stood her ground and determined whether or not I was a threat. Had she started charging I would have already had my weapon at the ready (didn't have one on me at the time  ).

[KFhunter]

I was specifically thinking about you when I wrote that, so added the cavet "I know some of you are better prepared than that".

I was just trying to iterate how fast a bear can bust through the brush, it get my pulse up every time 

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I was specifically thinking about you when I wrote that, so added the cavet "I know some of you are better prepared than that".

I was just trying to iterate how fast a bear can bust through the brush, it get my pulse up every time 

We can all be taken by surprise. Once i shot a buck and as I was preparing to field dress it I had a doe almost flat out run me over. Fortunately for me it was a false charge  .  (not sure what had spooked her but had it been something intent on eating me I would have been done for)

[high country]

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[Biggerhammer]

Great Link/ video High Country, I prefer the Glock 21.