Montana hunters need help getting corner crossing law changed

[bobcat]

Im talking about how few places there are where the corners of public land actually come into play here.

Huntnphool,  tell that to Randy Newberg.

Ironically, I saw a show of Randy's on TV recently where he helicopted into totally landlocked public land in Montana to hunt elk for a week. He was completedly surrounded by private land and was into elk all week long. Pretty interesting.

and if you read Randy's write up it clearly says that is illegal.

I find that hard to believe. I know it's legal in this state. So why isn't it in Montana? And why would Randy Newberg do it and then admit that he broke the law?

[csaaphill]

done  i support something like this.

[Hawgdawg]

years ago there was a nice piece of real estate landlocked inside the Seattle watershed. You could grab a helicopter ride into it. Not sure if it's true but I heard hear say that they annexed it so hunters couldn't hunt it anymore. Might not be a bad way to get to the glory hole.

[deerslyr]

Im talking about how few places there are where the corners of public land actually come into play here.

Huntnphool,  tell that to Randy Newberg.

Ironically, I saw a show of Randy's on TV recently where he helicopted into totally landlocked public land in Montana to hunt elk for a week. He was completedly surrounded by private land and was into elk all week long. Pretty interesting.

and if you read Randy's write up it clearly says that is illegal.

I find that hard to believe. I know it's legal in this state. So why isn't it in Montana? And why would Randy Newberg do it and then admit that he broke the law?

He done it on 2 or 3 occasions and put the film on television, with out suffering any sort of repercussion from the law?

[6x6in6]

Im talking about how few places there are where the corners of public land actually come into play here.

Huntnphool,  tell that to Randy Newberg.

Ironically, I saw a show of Randy's on TV recently where he helicopted into totally landlocked public land in Montana to hunt elk for a week. He was completedly surrounded by private land and was into elk all week long. Pretty interesting.

and if you read Randy's write up it clearly says that is illegal.

I find that hard to believe. I know it's legal in this state. So why isn't it in Montana? And why would Randy Newberg do it and then admit that he broke the law?

He done it on 2 or 3 occasions and put the film on television, with out suffering any sort of repercussion from the law?

MT has the no hunting the same day you fly gig.  Next day, good to go.  Page 12 of 2012 MT regs.

[deerslyr]

Im talking about how few places there are where the corners of public land actually come into play here.

Huntnphool,  tell that to Randy Newberg.

Ironically, I saw a show of Randy's on TV recently where he helicopted into totally landlocked public land in Montana to hunt elk for a week. He was completedly surrounded by private land and was into elk all week long. Pretty interesting.

and if you read Randy's write up it clearly says that is illegal.

I find that hard to believe. I know it's legal in this state. So why isn't it in Montana? And why would Randy Newberg do it and then admit that he broke the law?

He done it on 2 or 3 occasions and put the film on television, with out suffering any sort of repercussion from the law?

MT has the no hunting the same day you fly gig.  Next day, good to go.  Page 12 of 2012 MT regs.

He doesnt hunt the same day as shown in his shows

[huntnphool]

Im talking about how few places there are where the corners of public land actually come into play here.

Huntnphool,  tell that to Randy Newberg.

Ironically, I saw a show of Randy's on TV recently where he helicopted into totally landlocked public land in Montana to hunt elk for a week. He was completedly surrounded by private land and was into elk all week long. Pretty interesting.

and if you read Randy's write up it clearly says that is illegal.

I find that hard to believe. I know it's legal in this state. So why isn't it in Montana? And why would Randy Newberg do it and then admit that he broke the law?

Oh come on Bob, you told me to read the link you posted, the least you could have done was read it yourself.

Similarly, HB 235 does not create a nuisance on private property so as to to constitute a taking under inverse condemnation law. While invading airspace over private land may constitute a nuisance in certain circumstances, it only does so when it is of sufficient magnitude to constitute "a direct and immediate interference with the enjoyment and use of land." U.S. v.Causby, 328 U.S. 256,266 (1946); see also Thornburg v. Port of Portland, 233 OR 178 (Or.1962)(interference by airport activities must be "sufficiently direct, sufficiently peculiar, and of sufficient magnitude" to support a taking claim.) Stepping over an infitesimal corner of private land does not amount to "direct and immediate" interference with the use and enjoyment of land.

[bobcat]

I did read it. Never saw where he said flying into public land was illegal. I very much doubt that Randy would do anything illegal and then put it on TV.

[huntnphool]

I did read it. Never saw where he said flying into public land was illegal.

He doesn't say flying into public land is illegal, he does say that "invading airspace over private land" is. "It does so when it is of sufficient magnitude to constitute a direct and immediate interference with the enjoyment and use of the land"

The sound of a helicopter, while considered normal here, could easily be construde as "a nuisance" in Montana.

[huntnphool]

Im talking about how few places there are where the corners of public land actually come into play here.

Huntnphool,  tell that to Randy Newberg.

Ironically, I saw a show of Randy's on TV recently where he helicopted into totally landlocked public land in Montana to hunt elk for a week. He was completedly surrounded by private land and was into elk all week long. Pretty interesting.

and if you read Randy's write up it clearly says that is illegal.

I find that hard to believe. I know it's legal in this state. So why isn't it in Montana? And why would Randy Newberg do it and then admit that he broke the law?

He done it on 2 or 3 occasions and put the film on television, with out suffering any sort of repercussion from the law?

Is that to say he didn't break the law or didn't get caught/prosecuted? There have been plenty of TV hunting celebs that have broken the law, some even aired their hunts on the hunting shows.

[huntnphool]

Did you guys give your opinions on this? http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,115718.msg1521889.html#msg1521889

[JLS]

I just took a bunch of pics out of pages of the gazetteer to show very large areas where corning hopping would be beneficial. I now dont want to disclose these areas because they could offer some spectacular opportunities. I sure hopes this passes. I found several areas in the area JLS mentioned earlier as well. Dont worry JLS, I have no plans to hunt those areas, I hunt the mnt range to the west of there 

Have at it, I don't hunt that area anymore.  I think it could offer good opportunities if the access was there and one had the time to learn it well.  I saw a couple of good bulls in that area.

[JLS]

Im talking about how few places there are where the corners of public land actually come into play here.

Huntnphool,  tell that to Randy Newberg.

Ironically, I saw a show of Randy's on TV recently where he helicopted into totally landlocked public land in Montana to hunt elk for a week. He was completedly surrounded by private land and was into elk all week long. Pretty interesting.

and if you read Randy's write up it clearly says that is illegal.

I find that hard to believe. I know it's legal in this state. So why isn't it in Montana? And why would Randy Newberg do it and then admit that he broke the law?

He done it on 2 or 3 occasions and put the film on television, with out suffering any sort of repercussion from the law?

Is that to say he didn't break the law or didn't get caught/prosecuted? There have been plenty of TV hunting celebs that have broken the law, some even aired their hunts on the hunting shows.

That's because what he is doing is not illegal.  You would have a pretty hard time articulating that an aircraft flying over your airspace is a taking if the pilot is following all FAA rules.

Also, 6x6in6, MT is not a same day fly rule.  You can fly and hunt the same day, you just can't use the aircraft to locate game animals.  For the purposes of flying into a BLM section in a chopper, that would pretty much make it a defacto same day rule.  However, say you fly into Schaffer airstrip in the Bob Marshall in a Supercub, you could legitimately hop out and hunt the same day.

[bigtex]

years ago there was a nice piece of real estate landlocked inside the Seattle watershed. You could grab a helicopter ride into it. Not sure if it's true but I heard hear say that they annexed it so hunters couldn't hunt it anymore. Might not be a bad way to get to the glory hole.

Different game seasons back then.

Now the Cedar River Watershed GMU is closed year round, so even if you were on private lands, you would be hunting out of season.

[huntnphool]

Im talking about how few places there are where the corners of public land actually come into play here.

Huntnphool,  tell that to Randy Newberg.

Ironically, I saw a show of Randy's on TV recently where he helicopted into totally landlocked public land in Montana to hunt elk for a week. He was completedly surrounded by private land and was into elk all week long. Pretty interesting.

and if you read Randy's write up it clearly says that is illegal.

I find that hard to believe. I know it's legal in this state. So why isn't it in Montana? And why would Randy Newberg do it and then admit that he broke the law?

He done it on 2 or 3 occasions and put the film on television, with out suffering any sort of repercussion from the law?

Is that to say he didn't break the law or didn't get caught/prosecuted? There have been plenty of TV hunting celebs that have broken the law, some even aired their hunts on the hunting shows.

That's because what he is doing is not illegal.  You would have a pretty hard time articulating that an aircraft flying over your airspace is a taking if the pilot is following all FAA rules.

its already been ruled in the courts, go back and read post #13