Great new bow! But someone screwed up

[Pappy]

Today I picked up a PSE Brute X. I love it, feels great and shoots easy. This is my first bow and i plan to hunt with it this season.

At the store, I shot a number of arrows during setup, got it dialed in and brought it home. Tonight in the garage I shot three arrows and things were feeling good. On the fourth arrow, my peep broke. The little jib that sticks in the rubber hose broke off. I realize this is an easy fix, but still a bit annoying. So who screwed up? PSE? The tech that setup my bow? Me? I'm most concerned if it was me, cause I don't want to break the one I get installed tomorrow.

[turkeyfeather]

My  would be to just get rid of that peep and get a meta peep tied in.

[Pappy]

Well I have to get rid of it since its busted in two 

I've heard there were string cutting issues with the G5.  Is that still an issue with them?

[RadSav]

I have guys that like the larger plastic peep we sell with the tubing and post.  They intentionally cut off the post and shoot it as a non tubing peep.  However, if what you have is the cheap peep that comes with the PSE package best to get a new one anyway.  That model does not give you the right angles for good aperture vision.  And is possibly the cheapest most idiotic manufactured thing I have seen in peep sights in 20 years.

G5 makes a fine peep.  Most of the guys that have had string issues with it don't know how to tie one in properly.  Our Super-Deuce 38 has deeper grooves and a more aggressive radius on all sharp edges so I believe it is more string friendly than the G5.  But either one should work just fine for you.  If you like spending more money I can not complain about someone using G5 at all.  We both use a similar drafted aperture.  In my opinion that is a great advantage.  So neither has a leg up there.  Ours is anodized, there's is painted you chose your preference there.  Ours is aluminum, theirs is magnesium.  Again you chose your preference there.  Both of us demand top customer service, both of us demand constant improvements if at all possible.  And both of us would be more than happy for you to use our products.  Really hard to go wrong either way as long as your bow/string combination will allow you to ditch the tubing.  Of course if your setup needs tubing we give you that option and G5 does not.

There are some peeps on the market I would certainly stay clear of as they are hard on strings.  Any time you see a square bottom groove cross another square bottom groove you will have troubles.  So that is easy to see even if the peep is in a package.  If you can hold one before purchase even better.  If a sharp edge will shave a fingernail it will cut a string.  So that is an easy test to do for sure.  Some manufacturers cover those sharp points with paint.  It works great unless the paint chips at that spot - which it often does.

Good luck getting it set back up.  I hope you will consider giving RAD peeps a try.  But of not I'm sure you will be pleased with the results you get from G5 too.  Good people, good products.

[Old Dog]

+1 for the Radian peep.  I've installed a lot of peep sights over the last 15 years, and the Radians has consistantly been a good product.  I have had several of the larger meta peeps by G5 collapse in the string.  Especially on the speed bows. 

[Redbeard]

Some guys like tubeless peeps and some dont. I do like them cause they will line you up straight unless the tube breaks. I replace my tube before the season to prevent breaking at the wrong time.

Tubeless peeps definately look better but require more time to get properly installed. You do need to know what you are doing to get those in straight.

With that said go to a shop and look around see what you like. A good shop bow mechanic shoild be able to see what went wrong with your peep.

Just my 2 cents

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[Pappy]

Thanks for the info. I'm going to take it to a shop today to get a new one put in. I don't know enough about what its supposed to look like yet to know what's right if I do it myself.

I'll take a look at the Radian if they have them in stock, always appreciate the first hand knowledge of those actually making this stuff!

So is the only disadvantage of the tubeless peeps is that they're harder to setup?

[Redbeard]

Yea the tubeless are harder to install if you are not proficient with it. If your bow guy is good he will be able to drop it in correctly without an issue. (And make it look simple)

The key to this is finding that guy who actually can do it. He has to know where to split the string in the exact location so the peep doesn't twist. 

It is definitely a skill to put in.

[turkeyfeather]

So is the only disadvantage of the tubeless peeps is that they're harder to setup?

In my opinion yes. I have heard others say that the G5 will change shape, but I haven't personally had that happen. The only other thing to worry about maybe having an issue with them(tubeless) is on a new bow. If your string stretches any you may have to have it adjusted after awhile.

[hughjorgan]

Thanks for the info. I'm going to take it to a shop today to get a new one put in. I don't know enough about what its supposed to look like yet to know what's right if I do it myself.

I'll take a look at the Radian if they have them in stock, always appreciate the first hand knowledge of those actually making this stuff!

So is the only disadvantage of the tubeless peeps is that they're harder to setup?

If you have custom strings or the strings are made of bcy material like custom strings then they will be pre stretched and you should have consistent peep alignment after it is installed and shot. You might need to tweak your peep after shooting a hundred or so arrows.

[Pappy]

The key to this is finding that guy who actually can do it. He has to know where to split the string in the exact location so the peep doesn't twist. 

Anyone have any opinion on the archery desk guys at Wholesale Sports in Silverdale? It's not where I bought the bow, but I'd like to avoid driving 4 hours round trip to have a peep put in.

[Pappy]

I ended up skipping wholesale sports cause the manager there didn't know when his bow tech would be in. Thought that was odd...

Anyways, I found the Peninsula Premier Pro Shop in Belfair. Nice little shop, the guy knows what he's doing, or seems to at least. Super helpful, and recommended that I went with a regular peep since I'm new to the sport. He got my bow set in about thirty seconds and showed me a couple other spots to watch for upgrades in the future. Thanks all!

[Smossy]

Tube peep is my favorite regardless. It always stabilizes where I need it.
The meta peep is iffy. Atleast with my limited experience. The tube insures it will always be right where you need it at full draw, as long as its not broken in half

[D-Rock425]

Yeah as long as it isn't broken. 

[Redbeard]

Broken tubing or a peep sight that decides to twist at the wrong moment. One thing I can guarantee is both will happen at the wrong time. Pick your poision

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[hughjorgan]

Broken tubing or a peep sight that decides to twist at the wrong moment. One thing I can guarantee is both will happen at the wrong time. Pick your poision

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A custom pre stretched string, such as winners choice or vapor trail archery once the peep is set it isn't going to move. There is no need for tubing on a bow any more!

[RadSav]

32 years of using a tubing peep all over Canada and USA with no breakage in the field.  Pre-hunt preperation means fresh broadhead blades and new tubing.  A little forethought and it is not an issue.  If tubing were to break your peep sight should still work.  If you do not have tubing and your string happens to stretch...could be problems.  It's a personal preference that's all.  One no better and no worse than the other.  Unless testing a new product I use an angled aluminum peep with a micro tube aligner.  Sometimes I have tubing on it sometimes I don't.  But the aligner is almost always there just in case.

[Redbeard]

This is why I like forums. We all have our own opinions an can express them here.

  If tubing were to break your peep sight should still work.  If you do not have tubing and your string happens to stretch...could be problems.  It's a personal preference that's all.  One no better and no worse than the other. 

Better said than my post.


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[Pappy]

Yeah perhaps I should explain further. The reason he recommended I go with a tubed peep is because, with me being an archery newbie, if something were to go wrong in the field, I'd have a higher likelihood of fixing a tubed peep myself than a tubeless one. For example, if the tube breaks, I could retie it with some of the slack on the stationary side to jerry-rig it till I got back home.

[hughjorgan]

I can see shooting tubing with a peep if you have an older bow, but not sure why you would have one on a newer bow since most manufacturers of bows are using a bcy type blend of string and pre stretching them which gives reliable peep rotation every time. I have never had string stretch on me that is made from bcy, once the peep is set it is not going to move, if it is going to stretch it will happen in the first few hundred shots.

[RadSav]

Shoot Redding in the rain along with all the top shooters in the northwest.  You'll realize their is no absolute perfect string alignment every time.  That's a gathering of the best equipment you will see anywhere and there is plenty of string twisting and clever fixes.  Something you are not always afforded during a hunt.

I understand guys wanting to increase speed and keep noise to a minimum which can only be achieved with a non tubing peep.  But if a person prefers the added security of having a tube peep option it really doesn't matter how old or advanced the bow is.  It's all about personal preference.  If you are a good shooter and a good hunter either one should aide in success.

If one single peep was the end all answer on today's bows I could eliminate about 140 sku's from our line.  Instead we are planning to add another 56 to the line for 2014.  Seems there are experts everywhere telling us what the end all answer is.  And yet every answer seems to be different.

[cocogirl]

Pappy,
To answer your question, was your vault, manufactures fault or techs fault??
None of the above. It happens with peep sights that are premanufactured and plastic molded. A package gets made, is stored in a warehouse, shipped, put together and then put under pressure of shooting. It happens and we all end up getting new ones when it happens.

It is correct to say that either tubeless or a tubed one, work. To each his/her own. The person recommending that you have a tube because you are a new archer is correct in saying that a tubed sight is easier to replace in the field it the tube breaks but if the peep breaks with either one, it still takes a press to replace either of them, if you do it correctly.

Happy shooting and welcome to the best sport out there:-)

[Pappy]

Pappy,
To answer your question, was your vault, manufactures fault or techs fault??
None of the above. It happens with peep sights that are premanufactured and plastic molded. A package gets made, is stored in a warehouse, shipped, put together and then put under pressure of shooting. It happens and we all end up getting new ones when it happens.

It is correct to say that either tubeless or a tubed one, work. To each his/her own. The person recommending that you have a tube because you are a new archer is correct in saying that a tubed sight is easier to replace in the field it the tube breaks but if the peep breaks with either one, it still takes a press to replace either of them, if you do it correctly.
Hu
Happy shooting and welcome to the best sport out there:-)

Thanks Coco!