Aren't we already registering our weapons each time we buy a new firearm?

[JC-NORTHFORKER]

I am an FFL dealer, when the 4473 is filled out it stays an premisis, with the pistol transfers we are required to fax a copy of it to the state.  That is why on pistols they can track down the original purchaser.  With a long gun, rifle or shotgun no information is passed on, it stays with the ffl.  The law enforcement can track it from the manufacturer to the distributor, to the dealer and than to the original perchaser, by contacting the dealer.  From  there on there is no more tracking the firearm unless you know who you sold it to. 

[lokidog]

All the government has to do is ask (with a warrant if they want to pretend to follow the laws of the nation) any of these FFLs with their records to turn them over and they will do so, bing, bang, boom, registration complete.  That is why they are so intent on getting private sales to have background checks.

So how do they know WHICH FFL to ask? Sure they could start in the area you live, but what if you live in Forks and bought a gun new in Spokane 12 years ago? Do they send out a blanket search order to every FFL in the state? ...in the country?

When they want to know who has ALL of the guns, they will just go to ALL of the FFLs, you don't  think their computers can sort it out?     Just because it is a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it can't ever be a conspiracy fact.

[turkeyfeather]

I am an FFL dealer, when the 4473 is filled out it stays an premisis, with the pistol transfers we are required to fax a copy of it to the state.  That is why on pistols they can track down the original purchaser.  With a long gun, rifle or shotgun no information is passed on, it stays with the ffl.  The law enforcement can track it from the manufacturer to the distributor, to the dealer and than to the original perchaser, by contacting the dealer.  From  there on there is no more tracking the firearm unless you know who you sold it to. 

So the question is what does the state do with it then? I honestly think we are naive to think the gov't doesn't keep track of this.

[Blacktail Sniper]

"When they want to know who has ALL of the guns, they will just go to ALL of the FFLs, you don't  think their computers can sort it out?     Just because it is a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it can't ever be a conspiracy fact."

And don't forget the state game and wildlife offices...anyone who has purchased a hunting license or tag for modern firearms, regardless of whether they have ever purchased a gun from an FFL.

[300UltraMagShooter]

Yes, it is a form of the same thing.  One leads to the other.

However, don't make the mistake of saying "aren't we already doing such and such..."  as a way to justify more.

This is the example for why you don't want to do it.  This is how "slow creep" or "slippery slope" works.

You step by step give up a little of your freedom till one day you wake up and don't have it. 

The point should be made, "see, it is happening just as we said it would."

Anyway, what's the point, the smart people are in the 5% bracket.  The rest of the people seem to be really dumb...  and a lot of the really dumb people are in charge.

Sad to see America go down in history as just another fallen trial.  Sadly, with the lunatics winning, even the history books will not show what we had and what we lost....  since the winners (lunatics) get to write the history books.

[GrainfedMuley]

longstevo, If I sell you a firearm there is no paperwork required as long as both of us live in the same state. Also, If I bought a rifle or a shotgun before the Clinton BS, it is not registered. Or if you manufacture your own it is not registered.

[csaaphill]

seems like mags just showed us that some back door resgistration does in fact go on.
Looks like there's enough paper trail done with what is aleady on the books. If they get the Universal background check then muley would be wrong at that point. Meaning after that time it will be required for you to keep a record and background check.
But very uninforcable unless you sell To a FBI ATF person.
Just another reason to be against any more of this kind of infringements.

[GrainfedMuley]

IF they get there universal background check on a private sale. The ONLY way it will work is if you threaten the seller with prison time if he does not comply and that firearm show up in a crime. But in all this BS, nobody has addressed the fact that if you are legal own and posses, then you are legal to manufacture your own. Whether you are a machinist on a CNC machine or a back yard gunsmith, it depends on your knowledge. The single hardest thing to get when manufacturing your own is the barrel. I have built several of my own guns, and I started out with zero knowledge and learned by trial and error.  And several dollars.  But that is what I wanted to do by choice.  and now I know how to put guns together.   

[lokidog]

I am an FFL dealer, when the 4473 is filled out it stays an premisis, with the pistol transfers we are required to fax a copy of it to the state.  That is why on pistols they can track down the original purchaser.  With a long gun, rifle or shotgun no information is passed on, it stays with the ffl.  The law enforcement can track it from the manufacturer to the distributor, to the dealer and than to the original perchaser, by contacting the dealer.  From  there on there is no more tracking the firearm unless you know who you sold it to.

The dealer I just bought a handgun from sent a copy to my county sheriff (they called me at home to verify since my mailing address is a different county than my residence address), another one goes to the state?

[JC-NORTHFORKER]

I am an FFL dealer, when the 4473 is filled out it stays an premisis, with the pistol transfers we are required to fax a copy of it to the state.  That is why on pistols they can track down the original purchaser.  With a long gun, rifle or shotgun no information is passed on, it stays with the ffl.  The law enforcement can track it from the manufacturer to the distributor, to the dealer and than to the original perchaser, by contacting the dealer.  From  there on there is no more tracking the firearm unless you know who you sold it to.

The dealer I just bought a handgun from sent a copy to my county sheriff (they called me at home to verify since my mailing address is a different county than my residence address), another one goes to the state?

without a concealed permit we do fax it to the law enforcement agency where the customer lives and they do the background check.  Then when we transfer the pistol we send a copy of the pistol transfer paperwork to the DOL, in olympia.  With a concealed permit we just call in the NICS check and send the pistol transfer form to the DOL.

[lokidog]

I am an FFL dealer, when the 4473 is filled out it stays an premisis, with the pistol transfers we are required to fax a copy of it to the state.  That is why on pistols they can track down the original purchaser.  With a long gun, rifle or shotgun no information is passed on, it stays with the ffl.  The law enforcement can track it from the manufacturer to the distributor, to the dealer and than to the original perchaser, by contacting the dealer.  From  there on there is no more tracking the firearm unless you know who you sold it to.

The dealer I just bought a handgun from sent a copy to my county sheriff (they called me at home to verify since my mailing address is a different county than my residence address), another one goes to the state?

without a concealed permit we do fax it to the law enforcement agency where the customer lives and they do the background check.  Then when we transfer the pistol we send a copy of the pistol transfer paperwork to the DOL, in olympia.  With a concealed permit we just call in the NICS check and send the pistol transfer form to the DOL.

I have a CPL and walked away with the gun.   

[csaaphill]

good to  know muley you will be indispensible. which is why Fema camps is where your going
truley though that's a good skill to have.

[GrainfedMuley]

good to  know muley you will be indispensible. which is why Fema camps is where your going
truley though that's a good skill to have.

HAH!  The only way I going to a FEMA camp is in a body bag.   

[Mudman]

I think they already have a fbi database of all these records and such.  I heard they are building some massive archive emails record cia center in Virginia.  So every email here and facebook and everywhere else can be sorted.  Gun pops up in email it will be filtered to worker bee to investigate and record as gun owner.  They can get our names and link it all together.  Add this to hunt licsense and gun sell records and they will not miss many people at all.  I bet that would account for 90% of gun owners or more.  Sounds pretty far out there yes, but very easily done compared to door to door and leo enforced registery.  Ammo sales will be recorded next and this will prove their intentions clearly in my eyes.

[csaaphill]

Truly mudman. Read when New York doesn't comply or Califonria they will have a hard time finding who owns the semi auto's their banning, but not so sure now.