Jealous Hunters piss me off!!!!!!

[Silent-one]

I know plenty about this case Brian! Your right the CAPE was at the taxi's, not the whole hide. Like I said if he had nothing to hide then show them the evidence they asked for. Keeping a spot secret is not worth having your name drug through the mud along with losing your hunting privelages and having a criminal record. But hey thats just the way I see it.

Kid,
That is exactly what happened, there was a ton of meat removed from the impact area. You dont get that much trauma from an arrow.

[bowhuntin]

Was he using a carbon arrow and have it shatter or something? If a carbon arrow shattered or broke up alot I could see cutting some meat out.

[dbllunger]

I don't see all you bashers of the game department on here still bashing the gamie after a little more of the story comes out.  Plain as day to me and should be to most all hunters who have killed a few animals.  Ole boy poached an elk and got caught!!!!!!  Just amazes me how quickly a lot of people jumped all over the gamie for doing is job.  I don't see any apologies.  Anyone can see the truth to this matter in two seconds.  Silent-One thank you very much for stepping up with "the rest of the story".  Sounds like Brian you have some serious issue with telling the entire truthful story.  That in itself completely negates anything you have said in regards to your buddies innocence for me.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I wouldnt be so quick to judge dblung.. it is infact a online forum, I could say something like that easily as well, Im not saying its bs or not.. just saying.. and I also have not been impressed with the wardens I have met...... not the nicest of folks and I dont break the laws.. they seem to always have a chip on thier shoulder, once I meet a helpful one, ill let you know.. eitherv way this story sucks.............

[Gutpile]

pendoreilleadventures, were you with him when this went down? I refuse to believe they'll mess with a guy for no reason at all. Sure hope he didn't do anything wrong but this story is awefull fishy.

[DOUBLELUNG]

they drug the elk out close to a mile with a atv and they didnt tell the warden where it was shot because he has worked hard to find the spot the warden is also a hunter and he didnt want anyone knowing were he killed it

I was suspending judgement until I read this.  I've never met a game warden yet who was a hunter and didn't have more good spots to hunt than he had time to occupy them, including private land!

However, if what POA has claimed is all totally correct, I expect a charge of obstructing will be filed even if the case is dropped.  In Wyoming and Idaho, that refusal to reveal the kill site is considered sufficient evidence to charge the noncompliant hunter with the crime being investigated, the game is seized, and judges and juries convict routinely on that basis; in Wyoming the holder of a hunting license is legally obligated to take an officer to the kill site, refusal to do so is a separate crime that can be charged.  In Washington it is my understanding it is a separate crime, but still a crime.

I'm happy to be proven wrong - always interested in learning facts.  Love to learn the legal process outcome.  But when I weigh the assertions stated in this thread, the poacher killer comes off looking pretty bad.

[Backstraps]

It is really starting to look like your buddy killed an elk that was previously shot by a poacher or the previous season and survived; the butcher sees the bullet and calls the game warden. 

Most butchers will call game warden if they see something that is not right.

This might have happened. My brother is a butcher and we have seen this a few times.

[luvtohnt]

I personally have the utmost respect for all game wardens. I would hate to be in their shoes, because of all the a$$-holes out there.

I am no expert but usually an arrow leaves almost no bloodshot meat, because there is no blunt force trauma like with a bullet. A broadhead is designed to slice through the hide and cut internal organs. Whereas a bullet can not cut, it simply forces it's way through the skin resulting in massive hydrostatic shock, or bloodshot meat. I am not going to say wether I think the guy is innocent or guilty I will let the invetigators and courts decide if that is where it goes.

Brandon

[huntnphool]

I am no expert but usually an arrow leaves almost no bloodshot meat, because there is no blunt force trauma like with a bullet.

After hanging all the pieces from my moose this year that was one thing we noticed, there was absolutley zero bloodshot meat, gotta love archery gear

[Gutpile]

I personally have the utmost respect for all game wardens.

I don't. I talk to them when ever I get a chance. Asked one one time if leaving a yote was considered waste back in the 90's when a lot of buyers didn't want coyotes anymore. "Well, I wouldn't but I can't speak for other wardens." Whats that? Seems like a black and white question for me. Had another game warden who had no idea there were "hunting with written permission signs down south." He tried to tell me there were only the green feel free to hunt. The last time I talked to a gamy I asked if I had to have the blue permission card for coyotes if the landowner gave me permission but said I didn't need the card. He didn't know. I mean come on!! Whats the friggin law? If they don't know who does? I've had lots of landowners say yes to me for yotes but say I don't need the card but they don't know for sure. Thats a big fine but I don't want to press the landowner. On the other hand I don't want to have to fight a tresspass ticket.

I've only met one that really seemed like he knew what he was talking about. The others I've talked to really didn't.

[pendoreilleadventures]

Dblung why do you have it out for me? You have no reason change my post or call me a liar!!!!!! Do you know me NO!!!!!!! I have been a good poster on this site and i am a site sponsor i run a guide service as well. People can say what they want my friend is going to take a lie detector test on his own dollar so that he can have his attorney get his elk back. they have yet to charge him. and their evidence keeps changing. they said they had an eye witness. then they had the meat tested well guess what no charges. I spoke to my friend and he said there was no way that anyone that he know could have heard a gunshot because he was well away from any houses and it was a BOW KILL.I have killed deer with my bow and had more blood shot then a gun. if you hit a offside shoulder and don't get a pass through it can cause a lot of blood to get between the shoulder and the ribs and brisket. so believe what you want I have never posted any thing on this forum to flaw my character. Oh and Slient-one you must know me........so man up and tell me who you are. Because you sure arnt silent............

[cascademountainhunter]

dang that really sucks

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I also dont pass judgement and I will second the blood loss fact, I have shot one or two animals with a bow and even had so much blood loss on the oposite shoulder it was basically useless.. then other times nothing at all, that all depends on the angle etc.......Im not sure why someone would come on a site and post a bs story about a elk being shot legal if it was not.. doesnt make sense to me and doesnt seem like something i would want public..... innocent until proven guilty for me..........

[DOUBLELUNG]

POA, I don't have anything against you, personally - as you note I don't know you (and no, I have nothing against guides either).  I worked for two state game agencies, and am heartily glad to be out of state government.  I don't know the officers involved in this case.  

I do apologize for giving offense with the earlier post.  I think most who see it, will recognize the satire and that I am not calling you a liar.  I don't know your friend either, but I've heard so many stories just like that, where I did know the facts.  I have heard dozens, if not hundreds, of poachers lie to their friends and acquaintances, fabricating a fiction because they can't bear to admit their crime.  Conversely, though I've been directly or indirectly involved with hundreds of poaching cases, and conversant with the details of many more; I have yet to even suspect an officer of going after someone without reasonable suspicion a crime was committed.

Very, very few poachers man up and admit their crime.  Like it or not, every court in the land agrees that law enforcement officers can lie to suspect in the course of investigating a crime.  It would not surprise me in the least if the officers involved made false statements to your friend.  That's fine in my book.  Criminals lie, and often cops have to lie to catch them.

You are a very loyal friend.  YOUR friend's story, as you've related it, reeks.  Your buddy did everything by the book, some jealous jerk reported him as shooting the bull with a rifle, the wildlife officer investigated, all the evidence on the carcass of cause of death was apparently removed, and your friend refuses to reveal where that evidence can be found.  So far, everything reported to the officer is consistent with the reporting party's claim.  His explanation for refusing to cooperate and reveal where the bloodshot meat from around the wound can be located is that he won't reveal his honeyhole because the enforcement officer is a hunter??  Sorry, I don't buy it.  Might I be wrong?  Absolutely!  I know nothing about this case except what is posted on this thread.

There's no urgency in the investigation, your buddy's already back home in Oklahoma.  Please let us know how it turns out.  

[Elkstuffer]

Extremely well put Doublelung!!