Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage

[CP]

Why is this the farmer’s responsibility?  They are just trying to eek out a living on the land.  They didn’t ask for the elk to be there and they are not allowed to protect their property from them.  Fences cost money and make it harder to work the land. 

If the state and the tribes want more elk then they need to pick up the tab for the damage that those animals cause.

[Tbar]

If it is a tribe issue, then there is little you or I will do to change it.

I would like to know what this means...

Farmers should take ownership of their lands period, exclamation point, exclamation point

I guess that there is 2 ways to look at it.  Does the state want to use private property for elk wintering grounds and compensate the farmer for their land use, or is the state just paying for crop damage due to the land being over it's carrying capacity?  I agree with the first but not the 2nd.

This is somewhat of a loaded question. Are the land owners doing everything possible and allowingthe powers that be free reign to remedy the problem? I know I wouldn't, therefore I would have to take a good portion of the ownership of the situation.
I don't think we are beyond carrying capacity by any means, the grass is just greener.

[baker5150]

Feeding Station 

[baker5150]

Why is this the farmer’s responsibility?  They are just trying to eek out a living on the land.  They didn’t ask for the elk to be there and they are not allowed to protect their property from them.  Fences cost money and make it harder to work the land. 

If the state and the tribes want more elk then they need to pick up the tab for the damage that those animals cause.

Im not agreeing that it's the just farmers problem, but its along the same lines as berry farmers.  Birds are a major pain to raspberry, grape, even corn farmers, and they have come up with solutions, like LP cannons. Maybe theres a good solution out there no one has thought of yet because there too busy trying to get someone else to deal with the issue. 

[BOWHUNTER45]

I have no comment OTHER THAN THEY PEES ME OFF !! But nothen new about that  My tag is good for anywhere .....OUPS   

[Hunterman]

If the Farmer feeds them, then the Farmer should be able to EAT them..

Hunterman(Tony)

[Tbar]

Why is this the farmer’s responsibility?  They are just trying to eek out a living on the land.  They didn’t ask for the elk to be there and they are not allowed to protect their property from them.  Fences cost money and make it harder to work the land. 

If the state and the tribes want more elk then they need to pick up the tab for the damage that those animals cause.

Im not agreeing that it's the just farmers problem, but its along the same lines as berry farmers.  Birds are a major pain to raspberry, grape, even corn farmers, and they have come up with solutions, like LP cannons. Maybe theres a good solution out there no one has thought of yet because there too busy trying to get someone else to deal with the issue.

Not to thread jack but are berry farmers compensated?

[Ccortez]

i work with one of the tribes wildlife department and we are working up there now to get a better population estimate and get some collars on some elk up there to figure out theyre ranges..

[Boss .300 winmag]

i work with one of the tribes wildlife department and we are working up there now to get a better population estimate and get some collars on some elk up there to figure out theyre ranges..

Well if you tag the ones on HWY 20 they wont be hard to find, in the fileds or timber next to fields.

[Goldeneye]

I looked at 3 different herds up there this last weekend.  There are a number of cows already collared and ear tagged.

[Wazukie]

What is an "elk proof" fence?  Just wondering what that would cost.  Is it like a concrete fence or something? 

[Ccortez]

the ones that collared and ear tagged are from when they was transported from st helens this is for something differnt

[Special T]

An "elk proof fence" is just like the ones by I90 just E of the Elk heights exit... Between there and the rest station... Esentially they are rail road ties that are 10' put in the ground and you have an 8' fench with sturdy squar fencing. Probably the heaviest gauge before you go to the welded hog pannels. Its not cheep. When the elk used to ravage a farm the farmer would just call some people he knew to bring their muzzy or bow to haze them off. UNFORTUNALTY this kind of meat hunt takes place right by the road so every bunny hugger gets an eye full. IF you ask me, people like farmer Johnson should just grow a row a trees next to the road for a littl emore privacy from all the looky loose.

[WSU]

The interesting thing is that humans always build in problem areas and then expect others to pay them for the "problems."  Whether it is flood plains, elk wintering area, next to a gun range, in an industrial area, close to the airport, or whatever, the property owner always seems to want the government to take care of the problem.  Why should I have to pay for everyone elses problems when the person chose to live next to the problem?

[kentrek]

If the Farmer feeds them, then the Farmer should be able to EAT them..

Hunterman(Tony)

  more farm tags

i love the idea of moving some of those big bulls down to the st helens area...we need more big bulls down there..