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How do you deal with elk - crop damage conflicts?

Elk population needs to be reduced in farmed areas?
20 (22.5%)
Farmers need to take ownership of land and maintain elk proof fence?
43 (48.3%)
WDFW needs to pay for farmers damage?
10 (11.2%)
Other Ideas?
16 (18%)

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2013, 11:20:26 AM »
The interesting thing is that humans always build in problem areas and then expect others to pay them for the "problems."  Whether it is flood plains, elk wintering area, next to a gun range, in an industrial area, close to the airport, or whatever, the property owner always seems to want the government to take care of the problem.  Why should I have to pay for everyone elses problems when the person chose to live next to the problem?

Agreed 100%

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2013, 11:25:00 AM »
Well part of the problem is WDFW making the season a MH only hunt. Instead of viewing that particular unit as a "damage hunt" and not you typical hike in the mts hunt is part of the problem. This issue stems from a couple of instances where PEOPLE didn't like seeing animals shot or injured. This "problem" stems more from those who are detached from reality and think steak come from the store wrapped in cylophane.  :twocents:
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2013, 01:35:59 PM »
I've never understood the mentality that the farmers shouldnt take any responsibility for wildlife damage.  Elk, deer etc are part of the ecosystem.  Always has been and hopefully always will be.  It only makes sense that if something is causing damage to their crop then they will invest in something that is a permanent fix.  My uncle owns a farm on the west side. Elk and deer started eating his alfalfa and his other crops.  Guess what?  They invested in fences to keep them out.  Now he doesnt have crop damage.  Problem solved.  Yes it costs money but so what.  Its his property.  Its his responsibility to keep the elk out.  It's not the governments responsibility to do that.

It's just another example of looking for a government hand out. Plain and simple.  Either build a fence or let people hunt your land. 
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2013, 01:44:36 PM »
Might as well dump a bunch of wolves off in the valley, tell the farmers they have put up wolf proof fences and any cattle killed by those wolves are the farmer’s fault.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2013, 01:54:07 PM »
That would down size the herd abit, but then other complaints would out number the elk ones!  :yike:
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2013, 02:22:55 PM »
Funny thing today I was out on Fir Island and seen all these Eagle Decoys out in the farmers fields  :dunno:  and I wonder what they get for crop damage do to the ducks and geese eating up all their wheat ? I had to laugh out load  :chuckle: when I seen hundreds of ducks pecking all around the eagles feet  :yike: :rolleyes: There lies another problem with the Dept... the herd on the southside is growing so fast and has for years but the continue to have the Master hunters harvesting them in the farmers field ...With the amount of elk on the southside ( Not the Nooksack side ) and the amount of timber that holds this population of elk on the southside you would think they could give out a few permits so a guy could actually hunt them in the timber where they should be hunted ...but No they can not bring themselves to doing that because they could not watch everyone and see who is doing what !!! I could hunt all day on the south side and they would never see me or the other hunters which means neither would the people complaining  :dunno: :o :stup:

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2013, 06:26:43 PM »
Funny thing today I was out on Fir Island and seen all these Eagle Decoys out in the farmers fields  :dunno:  and I wonder what they get for crop damage do to the ducks and geese eating up all their wheat ? I had to laugh out load  :chuckle: when I seen hundreds of ducks pecking all around the eagles feet  :yike: :rolleyes: There lies another problem with the Dept... the herd on the southside is growing so fast and has for years but the continue to have the Master hunters harvesting them in the farmers field ...With the amount of elk on the southside ( Not the Nooksack side ) and the amount of timber that holds this population of elk on the southside you would think they could give out a few permits so a guy could actually hunt them in the timber where they should be hunted ...but No they can not bring themselves to doing that because they could not watch everyone and see who is doing what !!! I could hunt all day on the south side and they would never see me or the other hunters which means neither would the people complaining  :dunno: :o :stup:

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2013, 09:37:53 PM »
Looks like their gonna give out 20 Cow Tags in the 4941 area which probably means the Indians will also get 20 tags also. If everybody behaves themselves  :rolleyes: maybe they will give out more in the future who knows. But personally I think with it being pretty much all private its gonna turn into another Cluster@$&#. :bash:
Where did you hear this.  Twenty tribal tags doesn't do the tribes much good on private ag lands.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2013, 09:41:02 PM »
Why is this the farmer’s responsibility?  They are just trying to eek out a living on the land.  They didn’t ask for the elk to be there and they are not allowed to protect their property from them.  Fences cost money and make it harder to work the land. 

If the state and the tribes want more elk then they need to pick up the tab for the damage that those animals cause.
Because they farm the land that is in an elk herds winter range.  That is why.  Sure I can appreciate the farmers eeking out a living, however many farmers complaining are not eeking out a living.  Many are well to do and willing to do everything they can to get a subsidy whererever it may come from.  Yes fences cost money, that is the cost of doing business in a elk wintering range.  Describe how it makes it harder to work the land. 

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2013, 09:43:44 PM »
What is an "elk proof" fence?  Just wondering what that would cost.  Is it like a concrete fence or something?  :dunno:
There is a lot of literature and studies out there that describe the most effective elk fencing.  From 8 ft cattle fence to hotwire fencing.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2013, 09:45:49 PM »
the ones that collared and ear tagged are from when they was transported from st helens this is for something differnt

There have been many occasions where these elk have been collared.  97 elk from St. Helens were collared and moved up there as well as original Nooksack elk that were collared before the transplant.  Since the transplant elk have been collared on different occasions for research purposes. 

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2013, 09:46:16 PM »
well farmer Johnson let lots of people hunt his land, and all he got was a kick in the Nutz by anti hunters and the media.... Because he let people hunt his field is why this issue is such a crap storm in this area.... can't blame that land owner, can only blame those who thin steak comes from a store!
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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2013, 09:50:15 PM »
Well part of the problem is WDFW making the season a MH only hunt. Instead of viewing that particular unit as a "damage hunt" and not you typical hike in the mts hunt is part of the problem. This issue stems from a couple of instances where PEOPLE didn't like seeing animals shot or injured. This "problem" stems more from those who are detached from reality and think steak come from the store wrapped in cylophane.  :twocents:
BS.... the hunts that took place up the were a disgrace to hunters.  You kidding me.  Surrounding a herd of elk on a farmers field and flinging arrows into them randomly is your idea of hunting?  That hunt was disgusting as a hunter to witness/ read about  etc.  Granted there are people who don't know where meat comes from, but historical hunts in the valley have not always been ethical.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2013, 09:54:52 PM »
well farmer Johnson let lots of people hunt his land, and all he got was a kick in the Nutz by anti hunters and the media.... Because he let people hunt his field is why this issue is such a crap storm in this area.... can't blame that land owner, can only blame those who thin steak comes from a store!
I blame farmer Johnson for letting too many hunters hunt the herd in his field at one time.

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Re: Native Elk - Increased Crop Damage
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2013, 09:58:13 PM »
I didn't state that is was a hunt, I said it was a damage hunt/hazing.

"It's just another example of looking for a government hand out. Plain and simple.  Either build a fence or let people hunt your land." colockumelk

If you are looking for a back county experience this is NOT it.. IF you were looking to put some meat in the freezer it was. THIS farmer did not take money to give permission to hunt. This farmer actually likes seeing the elk. IMO the main fault of this farmer is NOT having a screen of trees separating his field from the HWY. HE actually drove his PU through the heard of elk to disperse them. the WDFW gamies parked THEIR trucks in the way of the escape route that the WDFW wanted them to disperse. NORTH! farmer Johnson ended this cluster F and this whole charade is an attempt to save face in the eyes of bunny huggers.
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