Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.

[grundy53]

- There's enough wolves in WA to delist, people could protect themselves and animals if we had an agency that would confirm existing wolves.

Regarding the bolded part of what was said here...  is it illegal for people to protect themselves and/or their animals from wolves?  Would the guy in the story be in trouble if he had shot the wolf?

big time

[Jingles]

Two different sizes of Coyotes in WA and the season on Yotes is open year round and everyone knows that the pelts in the summer time are not worth anything so leave em all lay

[grundy53]

Also people comparing the state paying for this dogs medical bills to paying for car damage caused by deer or the like. Think about it this way, the state pays farmers for damage done buy elk. So the precedent is there and the difference I believe is when you drive a car you are on state owned land and take a risk upon yourself whereas if elk damage your crop or a wolf attacks your dog on YOUR porch the state's wildlife is coming on to your property and damaging it. I'm not saying it is right or wrong. Just that the precedent is there. At least with elk they will give out kill permits...

[Hawgdawg]

Hope the old girl is doing better. 

Wife sucks, have to see if its a wolf attack. 

[Fishstiq]

- There's enough wolves in WA to delist, people could protect themselves and animals if we had an agency that would confirm existing wolves.

Regarding the bolded part of what was said here...  is it illegal for people to protect themselves and/or their animals from wolves?  Would the guy in the story be in trouble if he had shot the wolf?

big time

So if I'm on my own property, fully fenced, and a wolf shows up and attacks me, I can't legally shoot it? 

[Curly]

The dog owner isn't at fault here, but either is the WDFW. They didn't put that wolf there. And delisting? Even if the Feds would allow that to happen, it wouldn't have saved the dog on the porch. Sounds like a bunch of liberals on here- blaming the government deformed everything.

I agree to a point. What makes wolves different from , coyotes, deer, porqupines, cougars, Is that the state is partly to blame. With their poor management which is to say non management. They just bury their heads and the sand and blame everything on anything but wolves.

 

WDFW has blame with any wolf attacks from here on out.  They came up with a ridiculous wolf plan and now they have to live with the criticism that goes along with it.  WDFW sucks.

[pianoman9701]

- There's enough wolves in WA to delist, people could protect themselves and animals if we had an agency that would confirm existing wolves.

Regarding the bolded part of what was said here...  is it illegal for people to protect themselves and/or their animals from wolves?  Would the guy in the story be in trouble if he had shot the wolf?

big time

So if I'm on my own property, fully fenced, and a wolf shows up and attacks me, I can't legally shoot it?

Of course you can. You'd just better have a video of it on your throat before you kill it.

[muzbuster]

Washington Department of no Fish or Wildlife.

[bobcat]

Wolf plan or not, the wolves would still be here in the same numbers they are now. The wolf plan didn't change anything. Other than it calls for 15 breeding pairs.

Well, we're not even close to that number yet. I could see the argument that the state is liable for this wolf attack, IF the 15 breeding pair goal had been met or exceeded, and the WDFW continued to not have an open season on wolves.

But that's not the case. This would have happened regardless of anything the WDFW did or did not do.

[Curly]

Wolf plan or not, the wolves would still be here in the same numbers they are now. The wolf plan didn't change anything. Other than it calls for 15 breeding pairs.

Well, we're not even close to that number yet. I could see the argument that the state is liable for this wolf attack, IF the 15 breeding pair goal had been met or exceeded, and the WDFW continued to not have an open season on wolves.

But that's not the case. This would have happened regardless of anything the WDFW did or did not do.

That all might be true, but WDFW has an image problem because of their love for the wolf.  And, maybe the wolf attack would not have happened if there was a shoot on sight attitude that would make the wolves more wary of humans.

[bobcat]

As for shooting the wolf to save the dog, I'm not sure how you'd manage that without a high risk of shooting the dog instead. But if I had a clear shot, I sure as heck would shoot the wolf to save my dog. I see nothing wrong with that. Maybe it's illegal. So, don't tell anyone.

[bobcat]

That all might be true, but WDFW has an image problem because of their love for the wolf.  And, maybe the wolf attack would not have happened if there was a shoot on sight attitude that would make the wolves more wary of humans.

Shoot on sight? An endangered species? How do you suppose the WDFW would convince the Feds to allow that?

[AspenBud]

So if my dog attacks kills the neighbors dog on his doorstep, then it is the neighbors fault for not having a fence???

Well your neighbor can take you to court for it and even sue you for damages. You might even get slapped with a few fines from the county for letting a public nuisance/menace run loose and/or any leash law violations and your dog might get picked up and euthanized by animal control. ALL AVOIDABLE IF YOU HAD KEPT YOUR DOG FENCED IN.

I know of a guy out here who had a neighbor who thought his dogs should be able to run free too. The problem is the dogs kept running off the property and attacking his sheep. He warned his neighbor a number of times and asked him to please tie his dogs up or fence them in. The neighbor ignored him and one day the gentleman called his neighbor and said he had his dogs and would drop them off. When he did he backed into his neighbor's driveway and rolled each dead dog that he had shot out the back of his truck and went home saying, "I warned you."

That too, was avoidable if the guy would have just fenced his dogs in.

I'm not disagreeing that a wolf showing up on the guy's porch is a problem. But give me a break, we live in predator country in many parts of Washington. You can either take steps to minimize the chance of an encounter between a predator and your dog, or even kids, on your property or you can roll the dice and expect that your bright and sunshine filled world might go dark one day.

You have the right to protect yourself your family and your property.

You are absolutely right and that's a big problem with the wolf issue these days, you can't protect what's yours or even yourself from them with a firearm. But in the absence of that you can take other steps to minimize problems in some cases.

For what it's worth, I'd be preaching this if they were coyotes, cougars, bear, or other dogs that had attacked this guy's pooch. That it was a wolf is in some ways quite secondary here.

[bearpaw]

The dog owner isn't at fault here, but either is the WDFW. They didn't put that wolf there. And delisting? Even if the Feds would allow that to happen, it wouldn't have saved the dog on the porch. Sounds like a bunch of liberals on here- blaming the government deformed everything.

I agree to a point. What makes wolves different from , coyotes, deer, porqupines, cougars, Is that the state is partly to blame. With their poor management which is to say non management. They just bury their heads and the sand and blame everything on anything but wolves.

   exactly... that is the difference, WDFW has force rules on us that do not apply to other species so the result is that we cannot protect our property against wolves. Even the feds have deleisted 1/3 of the state. There is a ruling due out from USFWS anytime that could hopefully delist the rest of Washington. If delisted, then WDFW is the only thing preventing a person from protecting their property from wolves anywhere in WA.

[muzbuster]

I dont care if there is only 2 or 3 "breeding pairs" in the state. The fact is there is more then enough wolves (breeding pairs or not) in the state right now for them to NEVER go away because anything short of massive amounts of trapping, shooting, and all out poisoning, these wolves are here to stay. History has proven that is the only way to control them.