Communicating with Cantwell and Murray about Gun Control - Change the Tone

[pianoman9701]

There are a lot of resources out there for us to send canned letters to our congressmen and women regarding specific bills and other legislation. We need to change the wording when they're going to Cantwell and Murray, in my opinion. When sending them an email or letter regarding a gun control initiative, we should acknowledge their anti-2nd Amendment stances and their willingness to make our rights lesser while they continue to make the government bigger. There are a few key points that we should be hitting on when we write these two, especially.

1. You are a voting constituent
2. Senators are servants of the people of WA
3. They've sworn to uphold the US and WA Constitutions, not undermine them or change them
4. You're watching them and will take notice when they vote against our rights
5. 330 Million Americans did NOT abuse their 2nd Amendment rights last year
6. None of the gun control measures which they've supported would have stopped ANY of the recent gun violence occurrences
7. The 2nd Amendment was written to enable every US citizen to protect themselves and others against individuals who would harm us and from the possibility of tyranny by our government and leaders. When you say, "you don't need an AR to hunt", you miss the point. The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting.
8. Women and minorities are further exposed to violence in the face of gun control laws
9. The AR 15 is an excellent home defense firearm, especially safer than a shotgun for use by women
10. Criminals will never pay attention to new laws, no matter how many you pass restricting our rights
11. If you're really serious about making us safer, do something about the 12-14 million illegal aliens in this country, responsible for a large number of violent and property crimes each year.

We need to pound these ideas home to them. We need the tone of our voices to be stern and unyielding. We need them to understand that what they're doing isn't right and we won't sit by and ignore their actions.
PMan

[et1702]

I've been doing this every chance I get with these two!

ET

[Oldguy]

Don't you appreciate the concerned replies you get from those two. Makes you feel like you just got patted on the head and told that you don't see the big picture. YUK!

[buckfvr]

Good luck getting their attention..........I too, am sick to death of their form letter replies/lies...............we need a smiley thing of  taking a fish bat to a melon head......

[pianoman9701]

Yes, I hate their canned replies and their politics. However, the more they hear from us and how we feel, the more they'll pay attention. So far, most of what they see is the unchanging canned emails. When we change them up and address their actions specifically, they'll take greater notice. They're still my senators and I won't let them forget that.

[pianoman9701]

Good luck getting their attention..........I too, am sick to death of their form letter replies/lies...............we need a smiley thing of  taking a fish bat to a melon head......

Screw luck. The only way to get their attention is continuing to write and changing the tone of what we write. If you give up and they no longer hear your voice, they'll only listen to the sheep who support their views. You have to write regardless of whether or not you think it has impact. It makes me throw up in my mouth a little every time I have to, but I still do.

[buckfvr]

I sent them the umpteenth e-mail just this morning..........( pukin again )

[pianoman9701]

I sent them the umpteenth e-mail just this morning..........( pukin again )

Good going. I know it won't be the last, BFVR.

[KNOPHISH]

I am adamant about adding they took an oath to support & defend the Constitution. Should start adding it's treason & you should be fired or in jail. These are the domestic enemies oathed by armed forces.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Squeaky wheel gets the grease! Send send and send again!!!!

[Bigshooter]

It's a waste of time contacting these two.  They want bigger government and they want more gun control. Just look at there voting record.  They are representing the majority that voted for them.

[PolarBear]

Peppermint Patty has stated numerous times that she wants the Brady Bill back and with even more restrictions.  She doe exactly what her ultra liberal $$ supporters or her messiah Obama tells her.

[pianoman9701]

It's a waste of time contacting these two.  They want bigger government and they want more gun control. Just look at there voting record.  They are representing the majority that voted for them.

So does that mean you won't write them or are you just expressing your exasperation? It's important we continue to write. When the only voices they hear are supporters who like big government, freebies, and no rights, then they get to say that. When they hear from us, they know and must at least consider that some of their constituents disagree with their stands. We must continue to write them, regardless of how futile it feels.

[Heredoggydoggy]

It's a waste of time contacting these two.  They want bigger government and they want more gun control. Just look at there voting record.  They are representing the majority that voted for them.

So does that mean you won't write them or are you just expressing your exasperation? It's important we continue to write. When the only voices they hear are supporters who like big government, freebies, and no rights, then they get to say that. When they hear from us, they know and must at least consider that some of their constituents disagree with their stands. We must continue to write them, regardless of how futile it feels.

Don't know about Cantwell, but Patty Murray only got re-elected by the skin of her teeth.  The libs pulled her through...

[xd2005]

Don't know about Cantwell, but Patty Murray only got re-elected by the skin of her teeth.  The libs pulled her through...

Not sure I'd call 52-48 (118,766 votes) "skin of her teeth."

[Heredoggydoggy]

Don't know about Cantwell, but Patty Murray only got re-elected by the skin of her teeth.  The libs pulled her through...

Not sure I'd call 52-48 (118,766 votes) "skin of her teeth."

Take away the I-5 Corridor Libs, and we wouldn't be inflicted with them any more. 

[netcoyote]

Good thread P-man. I'd also suggest that people use a spelling and grammar checker when writing reps and be considerate. Calling them names or lobbing insults will only reinforce stereotypes they probably already have about gun owners.
I wouldn't be too concerned about getting a canned response. They probably get swamped with letters, emails, tweets etc from both sides on many issues and can't possibly respond individually to all of them. What's more important is to state where you stand on the position before you go into detail. Someone in their office is counting the feedback, you can be sure of that. They are political animals and they want to know which way the wind is blowing.

[Wenatcheejay]

The gun bans were planned with the Dem's as soon as Obama got reappointed.  All the talk of "he would not dare" was BS. They knew it, we knew it.

By all means we need to keep writing. Just don't expect those 2 old bats to change their minds.

And the next time a Dem tells you they don't want to take away rights, change the country, tax you and business owners, that voice that tells you not to do what you want to do or say, don't listen, do it, say it.

Most important, in the next election VOTE!

[huntingfool7]

Yes, I hate their canned replies and their politics. However, the more they hear from us and how we feel, the more they'll pay attention. So far, most of what they see is the unchanging canned emails. When we change them up and address their actions specifically, they'll take greater notice. They're still my senators and I won't let them forget that.

Good point Pianoman. 

[Cougartail]

I ask her a very pointed question. If gun control is about public safety and they are so concerned about our safety. Why would they allow and encourage 12 to 20 million people with unknown backgrounds remain in our country? I inform her they are the reason I own a AR15 and will never give it up until they are "all" deported. I told her that I do not trust her or any other politician with my safety as they seem to make policy on self intrest, money and not mine.

Thier policies are far more dangerous than an occassional mass shooting and I tell them all, every death of a US citizen caused by an illegal alien is blood on their hands and I vote for no one who supports amnesty and is weak on illegal immigration, Republican or Democrat.

A equivalent of a Sandy Hook in numbers occur every day in this country due to illegal immigrants and I ask where thier outrage is? I tell them there political correctness has caused far more deaths than AR15 by far and they should become intellectually honest with themselves and more importantly us.

[npaull]

Traitors. Both of them. I wanna know what a person has to do to be charged for treason. They both qualify in my opinion and I would love it if one of these people who claim to be LAW ENFORCEMENT would enforce some laws against these two for trying to undermine our rights, , our freedom and our indepndance as a country and as a state. They are criminals so why doesn't someone arrest them?

Because they're not criminals, they're people you disagree with.

Pianoman's right - the way to make change is respectful, relentless dissent. Going over the deep end - whether by accusing politicians of treason or with whacko conspiracy theories about the imminent threat posed by illegal aliens - will only make them write you off and stop listening.

[Cougartail]

Wacko theories? Hummm... 16 people are killed by illegal aliens everyday accross this nation in alcohol related car crashes. Talking with local policemen I know, they say better than 90% of all people pulled over in the valley have no license or no insurance or both. (and their lack of driving skills show!) If this is of no concern to you as to the dangers, let alone all the homicides they commit in this country then you are as clueless as our moron legislators.

[Windwalker]

Many good ideas and comments here- the question revolves around how to convince someone to do what we want- essentially.

One of the issues plaguing us is the “look” and refutable nomenclature used to describe an AR- example is how commercials sell a product works on the vulnerability of sensory perceptions that attract the target audience. While guys like the utilitarian rugged look- now we are dealing with…ah softies..I hold no keys to their vulnerabilities but may be something that should be scrutinized if we wish to manipulate their perception favorably.  One I like is a fallacy but calling it a Modern Musket- or showing a picture like this as a selling point might soften their view of wicked ArmaLite derivatives.

[pianoman9701]

I ask her a very pointed question. If gun control is about public safety and they are so concerned about our safety. Why would they allow and encourage 12 to 20 million people with unknown backgrounds remain in our country? I inform her they are the reason I own a AR15 and will never give it up until they are "all" deported. I told her that I do not trust her or any other politician with my safety as they seem to make policy on self intrest, money and not mine.

Thier policies are far more dangerous than an occassional mass shooting and I tell them all, every death of a US citizen caused by an illegal alien is blood on their hands and I vote for no one who supports amnesty and is weak on illegal immigration, Republican or Democrat.

A equivalent of a Sandy Hook in numbers occur every day in this country due to illegal immigrants and I ask where thier outrage is? I tell them there political correctness has caused far more deaths than AR15 by far and they should become intellectually honest with themselves and more importantly us.

This is a very astute, excellent point. Thank you!

[Elkaholic daWg]

Don't know about Cantwell, but Patty Murray only got re-elected by the skin of her teeth.  The libs pulled her through...

Not sure I'd call 52-48 (118,766 votes) "skin of her teeth."

Take away the I-5 Corridor Libs, and we wouldn't be inflicted with them any more. 

 The difference in votes in King county ALONE were DOUBLE what inslee won by last election

[pianoman9701]

"Dear Mr. Wallace,

Thank you for contacting me to express your views on gun ownership and violence prevention. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. 

As you know, on January 16, 2013, President Obama announced a series of legislative proposals and executive actions intended to reduce gun violence. I applaud the President's efforts to close gun purchase loopholes and to create new tools for further background checks.

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) introduced a bill to regulate assault weapons (S. 150) on January 24, 2013. The proposed legislation bans certain military-style, semi-automatic weapons, and makes it illegal to produce, import, or sell magazines with capacity over ten rounds. The bill was referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee for further review and was favorably reported from the committee on March 14, 2013. The bill is now awaiting consideration before the full Senate.

In the past, I supported the original Assault Weapons Ban and the Brady Bill, as well as the Youth Handgun Safety Act of 1993, which prohibits juveniles from possessing or receiving handguns. I look forward to working with my colleagues in the Senate to strengthen responsible legislation to rein in gun violence. We need to work to close the loopholes in existing laws that allow criminals and children to gain access to firearms contrary to the law's intention. One example is the well-known "gun-show loophole" which allows people to purchase firearms at gun-shows without undergoing the background check required when guns are bought from licensed dealers. Lastly, I believe we must support increased gun-safety and gun-use education.

I support the Second Amendment and the rights of law-abiding Washingtonians who own guns. I also remain focused on addressing the deeply troubling violence in this country and making our state and our country as safe as possible for all people, including our most vulnerable citizens, our children. I believe both of these goals are important and can be simultaneously accomplished through common-sense gun laws and stricter enforcement of existing laws.


Along with addressing gun violence, making services for the mentally ill and their families more accessible will encourage those suffering from mental illness to seek needed care and support. Mental health care is a critical component of our healthcare system and an individual's overall health status. According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately one in 17 Americans suffers from a seriously debilitating mental illness. I care deeply about mental health care and understand the important role access to behavioral health services play in the lives of both those who suffer from mental illness and their family and loved ones.


Sincerely,
Maria Cantwell
United States Senator "

My response:

"Senator,

I'm glad some of your focus is on mental health issues, but with all due respects Senator, taking away my rights will not make anyone safer, ever. Modern sporting rifles are an excellent home defense weapon and much easier to use for women than a shotgun. This isn't about hunting. This is about my ability to protect my family and me from those who would harm us, which includes a tyrannical government looking to steal my liberties.

The criminals aren't going to follow your rules for me, ever. If you REALLY want to take a bite out of violent crime, if you're serious and honest about this, then do something about the millions of undocumented illegal immigrants in this country. Because they can't legally work and because our policies are so lax on their presence here, they often must turn to crime to support themselves and their families. Working on that problem would do more to diminish violent crime in our country than any restriction of my rights.

John W"

I didn't hit on all points in this reply as I had done that in the original communication.

[ghosthunter]

Many good ideas and comments here- the question revolves around how to convince someone to do what we want- essentially.

One of the issues plaguing us is the “look” and refutable nomenclature used to describe an AR- example is how commercials sell a product works on the vulnerability of sensory perceptions that attract the target audience. While guys like the utilitarian rugged look- now we are dealing with…ah softies..I hold no keys to their vulnerabilities but may be something that should be scrutinized if we wish to manipulate their perception favorably.  One I like is a fallacy but calling it a Modern Musket- or showing a picture like this as a selling point might soften their view of wicked ArmaLite derivatives.

Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!

I say this every time the old dogs of the NRA stand in front of a microphone. We need to get some fresh faces out there. The old guard needs to run behind the lines and push the young ones out front. 

[SGTDuffman]

Handwritten letters seem to get better responses. I also try to explain to these people what they seem not to know as well. They all parrot the same old nonsense about some fictitious "gun show loophole" oblivious to the fact that WAC administers all the gun shows on the west side. They have absolutely no idea that you currently already have to be backgrounded, at least twice, to buy a gun at a gun show because of the requirements WAC has put on the shows.

I don't know if there is some organization on the east side that does something similar, if there is maybe some of you east side guys could chime in. I'd love nothing more than to throw it in their faces if you could give me a name for an organization that does something like WAC does on the west side, except for the east side.

[Windwalker]

Got the April edition of The Blue Press in today-

How to Talk to Liberals about “Assault weapons” bans

  This article may be useful for those of us that don’t speak ‘liberal’.  I can usually empathize or corral a sense of where folks are coming from but in this case have come to the conclusion that –they just don’t get it- we are not getting through to some of these people. We need to better understand their point of view or what their corner stone of passion is made from to rebut these arguments in their language. Kind of a, men are from Mars women are from Venus…so where are liberals from standpoint. 

I am of the opinion we need to add more ‘tools’ to our shed if we want to convince some of these utopian minded socialists our reasoning is sound and in their best interest.
I will summarize a few points brought up in this article- BTW, I am still on the fence trying to decide if these are valid as a whole or partially. Either way I do think – with some massaging from those more enlightened, this will provoke thought and with luck a liberal’s epiphany.

By Marko Kloos

‘Debating “assault weapons “ bans with progressives and liberals is usually a frustrating exercise in flinging reason, statistics, and historical evidence against a nigh-impenetrable wall of uninformed righteousness.’
Gun ban proponents aren’t often swayed by talks of “inalienable, God-given rights,” the demonstrated counterproductive effect of gun bans on crime statistics, or any of the usual arguments gun owners employ when defending their right to keep and bear arms. Worse our side often turns off the other side from the start with confrontational statements – start talking about your cold dead hands with the average gun-hostile liberal, you will get mentally filed as a nutcase whose opinion can be safely discarded as that of a confrontational, unstable crackpot who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a firearm. (Caution using statements that may harden their resolve).
You have to move away from Molon Labe (come and take them)
You have to show them the law they propose is not just useless, but that it’s actually harmful to them. You have to appeal to their self- interest.

1. It will harm the economy and the pocketbooks of others, and waste valuable and limited public resources.

There are millions of these rifles and tens of millions of magazines in private hands to be added to the registry- process time coupled with a notoriously expense bureaucracy invariably useless for crime prevention for hundreds of millions of dollars that will be spent without any tangible results (Canada has came to that conclusion BTW at a cost in billions of dollars). And will only hurt one of the few sectors of the economy that is actually healthy.

2. It will harm the respect for government authority irreparably.

The certain noncompliance with a ban will bring us to the bigger problem of authority erosion.
It stands to reason that few owners would be willing to register newly-banned firearms or forfeit their new property. If millions simply ignore the law it will become worse than worthless- it would be a constant reminder that the state is basically impotent.

3. It amounts to immoral collective punishment.

‘Let’s set that one straight right out of the gate: if it’s immoral to punish a classroom of kids for the misbehavior of a single child, or punish all Muslims for the actions of a few radical terrorists, then it’s immoral to punish law-abiding gun owners for the actions of a few mentally ill sociopaths. This law harasses and punitively fines a specific group of people for the act of peacefully owning an object you don’t like that was previously lawfully acquired. To possibly surrender thousands of dollars of property that will never be used in a violent crime is an unjust punishment.  Your consent to such a collective punishment could set precedence for collection of items of yours in the future that others condemn. Can you be against racism, sexism, classism and other social injustices if willing to invoke collective guilt in this case?

4. It will have legislative repercussions for progressive agenda.

Two million people purchased firearms just in the month of December 2012.
America has tens of millions of gun owners and that is a lot of votes. Restricting, depriving them of their rights or punitively punishing them will be met with a backlash at the polls in whatever election- national-state or local that comes next. Are you willing to trade Obama care or all the other items on your progressive wish list for a gun ban that is useless at best and disastrous at worse?

5.  It will set a strong precedent for ignoring or removing other amendments.

This is perhaps the single biggest reason for progressives to oppose an evisceration of the Second Amendment: it creates a blueprint for others to invalidate the civil rights they oppose. If they can cancel a Constitutional amendment because the outraged masses of the day want it gone, then the Bill of Rights is worthless. You should never assent to the government having sweeping powers if your not comfortable with those same powers being used against you. Because history teaches sooner or later that’s precisely what will happen. A ban or restriction would be, in fact, much worse than “better than doing nothing”.

[Wenatcheejay]

The problem with the Republican or center right is the lack of will to get out the vote. There is no reason IMO that we do not have Mckenna as Governor. This discussion at the State level would not be happening if we had a massive turnout. It is great to fire off a robo letter or even a heart felt one. I am sure it truly moves these fine ladies. (not.)
When they run for reelection show up at their Seattle Rallies with an NRA baseball cap, a Bible, and an, "I AM The Infidel" tee shirt. Hell, read the Constitution with your friends while your at it. (Sounds like a party to me anyway.)

If we want change get involved with the next election cycle. If not, just sell the freaking guns, quit your job, smoke a joint, and be done with it.

(off soapbox)

[Windwalker]

You hit the nail on the head – Need more people to get off their arse. Lazy, complacent, disheartened or whatever their excuse, things need to change if we want proper representation. These numbers fluctuate quite a bit and if O'blaimer  has his way may have other nations vote in our stead- (Illegals)

Only a hair over half the population voted- tells me something is fundamentally wrong with our societies attitude if they don’t recognize what is at stake-

Grabbed this data for reference-  Washington state statistics

As of February 28, 2013, Washington has 3,910,332 active registered voters.
Approximately 79.7% of the state's voting eligible population is registered
Female voters account for approximately 53% of the registered voters, and male voters account for approximately 47% of the registered voters.

2010 General Election Turnout Rates
Last Updated: 2/4/2012

EP Turnout Rate <recommended statistic> is the vote for highest office divided by the voting-eligible population or VEP. In a midterm election, the vote for highest office is the highest vote tally for Governor, U.S. Senator, or combined House of Representatives. The voting-eligible population is the best estimate of the number of people eligible to vote.

Voting-Eligible Population 4,724,989   
Total Ballots Counted 2,565,589

Washington    53.1%    -That is pathetic - and appears to be the new norm- Looking at other states only a few were better.

http://nation.time.com/2013/01/15/a-state-divided-as-washington-becomes-more-liberal-republicans-push-back/
The faith Republicans had in McKenna’s chances wasn’t unrealistic. In 2004, Gov. Christine Gregoire, a Democrat, won by only 133 votes out of the 2.8 million cast. Newly elected Gov. Jay Inslee, a former Democratic congressman, carried only eight of 39 counties. All of those counties just so happen to be located within 100 miles of Seattle. “I’ve heard people say, you can stand on top of the Space Needle and see all the votes you need to get to win an election in the state,” said Scott Roberts, citizen action network director at the Freedom Foundation, an Olympia-based conservative think tank.

[Bigshooter]

It's a waste of time contacting these two.  They want bigger government and they want more gun control. Just look at there voting record.  They are representing the majority that voted for them.

So does that mean you won't write them or are you just expressing your exasperation? It's important we continue to write. When the only voices they hear are supporters who like big government, freebies, and no rights, then they get to say that. When they hear from us, they know and must at least consider that some of their constituents disagree with their stands. We must continue to write them, regardless of how futile it feels.

I have wrote Murray many many times over at least the last ten years.  And guess what?  She votes the same way everytime.  It's a waste of time writing to these two.

[norsepeak]

wrote my personal letter, and got back the same form letter response as posted above...

[csaaphill]

bit different responce from murray
Thank you for contacting my office. Your thoughtful comments are greatly appreciated. 

   

The views of Washingtonians are very important to my work. I will keep your thoughts in mind, and I encourage you to stay in touch. If you would like to know more about my work in the Senate, please feel free to sign up for my weekly updates at http://murray.senate.gov/updates. Again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me.


Sincerely,
Patty Murray
United States Senator

[pianoman9701]

It's a waste of time contacting these two.  They want bigger government and they want more gun control. Just look at there voting record.  They are representing the majority that voted for them.

So does that mean you won't write them or are you just expressing your exasperation? It's important we continue to write. When the only voices they hear are supporters who like big government, freebies, and no rights, then they get to say that. When they hear from us, they know and must at least consider that some of their constituents disagree with their stands. We must continue to write them, regardless of how futile it feels.

I have wrote Murray many many times over at least the last ten years.  And guess what?  She votes the same way everytime.  It's a waste of time writing to these two.

I understand your frustration, believe me. But, it's never a waste of time, ever.

[Elkaholic daWg]

wrote my personal letter, and got back the same form letter response as posted above...

Maybe we should save a generic form letter on our computers (Explaining how since that is all we get  in return) and adapt them to every issue??

[pianoman9701]

So, trying to undermine our natural rights is not criminal behavior?  I disagree.  The constitution enumerated our rights, the government was created to protect them. They swore an oath to uphold and protect the constitution,  trying to make it irrelevant or ignoring, is not authorized and no laws are to be made that conflict with the rights enumerated within it.    Cantrell and muddy both work against our rights and against the document that limits their actions. They are criminals and should be held legally responsible.  Also, writing letters and begging these criminals to do the right thing for years has led to the mess we are in now.    Law enforcement needs to arrest them and they should go on trial for helping foreign powers,( banks and U.N.) harm our country.

Go ahead and file charges. Good luck with that. I'm not disagreeing with you about their behavior, but you need to figure out who the enemy is and who isn't, or it's going to get really lonely for you really fast. Attacking like-minded people splits up our efforts and helps no one but the gun grabbers.

[Wenatcheejay]

The focus needs to be on candidates and a party interested in people and liberty. We often point out how Dem's and unions line their own pockets at taxpayer/payer expense. That has not changed. However, the Republican Party as a whole is just as guilty of being in that tax/take machine. Basically, the workers get a better deal in the short term from the Dem's and there is no other good message in Washington.

Take the guns, make Seattle happy and Seattle gives the two Queens money. Give the Unions more and they are happy and give more money.

What would make you happy? Find that candidate, brand a message and help them.

Government is supposed to contain and control this crap not promote and make billions off of it.

[Hermannr]

Murray's big thing, and her base, is "woman's issues".  If we are going to ever get her to change her mind, we have to continualy point out that God may have made all men equal, but Sam Colt included women.

[csaaphill]

wonder if a bunch of us sued murray & cantwell would have any kind of effect?
how would one go about charging these oathbreakers?

[Wenatcheejay]

wonder if a bunch of us sued murray & cantwell would have any kind of effect?
how would one go about charging these oathbreakers?

for what?

To do anything will require voting them out. To do that there must be an alliance with the strong union people of Seattle as well as people so eco crazy they poop green. That, or every non Seattle voter must turn out. It's not going to be easy.

[stuckalot]

I truly believe that the only way we are going to rid ourselves of these two is to build a fence from the puget sound down I-405 and back to the puget sound creating the Great State of Insanity.  Then the state of Washington may be able right it's course, otherwise I believe we've passed the tipping point.

Wasting my time writing letters to these two is no more productive than trying to nail jello to a tree!

[Wenatcheejay]

I truly believe that the only way we are going to rid ourselves of these two is to build a fence from the puget sound down I-405 and back to the puget sound creating the Great State of Insanity.  Then the state of Washington may be able right it's course, otherwise I believe we've passed the tipping point.

Wasting my time writing letters to these two is no more productive than trying to nail jello to a tree!

 

It would be appropriate where they go to hold up signs that say, "warning fruit loops ahead."

[csaaphill]

wonder if a bunch of us sued murray & cantwell would have any kind of effect?
how would one go about charging these oathbreakers?

for what?

To do anything will require voting them out. To do that there must be an alliance with the strong union people of Seattle as well as people so eco crazy they poop green. That, or every non Seattle voter must turn out. It's not going to be easy.

For violating thier oaths and vilating our rights, or any other original thinking one could think of to get their attention.
weather or not they throw it out is mute it may just hit the news and make our point.
That Vet who sent the No maam letter spoke volumes to what we feel, but might have said more with a law suit against Feinstein.

[huntrights]

Write and CALL our Senators!

Many of you may have noticed that Senator Cantwell and others have been sending out the same canned response to any communication regarding guns.  We should continue to write our emails and letters, but perhaps flooding Senator Cantwell’s and Senator Murray’s Washington, D.C. offices with phone calls letting them know that the canned emails seem to indicate the written communications are only being screened for the word "gun" which triggers the canned response.  Many constituent communications have been written that contained very valid arguments against the recent flood of proposed gun control legislation, but it appears their position is set in concrete regardless of what the people they represent wish for them to do and regardless of our rights guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.  They are pushing the gun control agenda as far as they can possibly get it to go by using a terrible tragedy for fuel.  They are marching to a gun control agenda regardless of the damage it will do to our Constitution and Bill of Rights.  Call them for each gun control bill separately so your call related to that bill will logged.  Make their phones ring off the hook letting them know your position.  At this point it appears they have closed their doors to the people that oppose gun control.  We need to make our voices heard.  There are about 275,000 hunters in this state and many more gun owners; we can turn this anti-gun tide with a unified voice.

All of us must get our family, friends, and colleagues engaged in this battle to defend and preserve our rights and freedoms.  Remember, there are about 275,000 hunters in the state of Washington; if they were all engaged in fighting against all of this anti-gun legislation, we wouldn’t be having this anti-gun problem.

Senator Maria Cantwell
Washington, D.C. Office
Phone: (202) 224-3441

Senator Patty  Murray
Washington, D.C. Office
Phone: (202) 224-2621
Toll Free: (866) 481-9186

[pianoman9701]

email from the President - so personal:

"Dear John:

Thank you for taking the time to write.  I have heard from many Americans regarding firearms policy and gun violence in our Nation, and I appreciate your perspective.  From Aurora to Newtown to the streets of Chicago, we have seen the devastating effects gun violence has on our American family.  I join countless others in grieving for all those whose lives have been taken too soon by gun violence.

Like the majority of Americans, I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms.  In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that has been handed down from generation to generation.  Hunting and sport shooting are part of our national heritage.  Yet, even as we acknowledge that almost all gun owners in America are responsible, when we look at the devastation caused by gun violence—whether in high-profile tragedies or the daily heartbreak that plagues our cities—we must ask ourselves whether we are doing enough.

While reducing gun violence is a complicated challenge, protecting our children from harm should not be a divisive one.  Most gun owners agree that we can respect the Second Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale.  Most also agree that if we took commonsense steps to curtail gun violence, there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in Newtown.  We will not be able to stop every violent act, but if there is even one thing we can do to reduce gun violence—if even one life can be saved—then we have an obligation to try.

That is why I asked Vice President Joe Biden to identify concrete steps we can take to keep our children safe, help prevent mass shootings, and reduce the broader epidemic of gun violence in this country.  He met with over 200 groups representing a broad cross-section of Americans and heard their best ideas.  I have put forward a specific set of proposals based off of his efforts, and in the days ahead, I intend to use whatever weight this office holds to make them a reality.

My plan gives law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals, and the public health community some of the tools they need to help reduce gun violence.  These tools include strengthening the background check system, helping schools hire more resource officers and counselors and develop emergency preparedness plans, and ensuring mental health professionals know their options for reporting threats of violence.  And I directed the Centers for Disease Control to study the best ways to reduce gun violence—because it is critical that we understand the science behind this public health crisis.

As important as these steps are, they are not a substitute for action from Congress.  To make a real and lasting difference, members of Congress must also act.  As part of my comprehensive plan, I have called on them to pass some specific proposals right away.  First, it is time to require a universal background check for anyone trying to buy a gun.  Second, Congress should renew the 10-round limit on magazines and reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban.  We should get tougher on those who buy guns with the purpose of selling them to criminals, and we should impose serious punishments on anyone who helps them do this.

These are reasonable, commonsense measures that have the support of the majority of the American people.  But change will not come unless the American people demand it from their lawmakers.  Now is the time to do the right thing for our children, our communities, and the country we love.  We owe the victims of heartbreaking national tragedies and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best effort—to seek consensus in order to save lives and ensure a brighter future for our children.

Thank you, again, for writing.  I encourage you to visit www.WhiteHouse.gov/NowIsTheTime to learn more about my Administration’s approach.

Sincerely,
Barack Obama"

I'm quite touched. No wait, nauseated, yeah that's it.

[huntrights]

I received the same one as did other people I know.  I wrote B.O. back and copied all of my state and federal representatives pointing out all of the flawed logic.

We need to get all hunters and gun owners into this battle.  Our voices need to be heard.

[Wenatcheejay]

How many are going to the Republican Conventions/dinners that are popping up all over Washington? NRA to for that matter. It is not just writing.   

Bloomberg and others will donate millions or more. It is going to be up to the grassroots people to raise what they can to match and defeat them.

The good news is so far we are holding the line. It is far from over but minus a few States we are doing pretty well. But it is going to be a long fight.