UPDATE: Sheriffs sue over COLORADO gun laws

[iusmc2002]

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me.

If this boycott is successful, the people it will hurt most are on our side!!!!

Sure, the entire economy would take a small hit.   But the hunting economy would take a huge beating.   Archery shop owners, gun shop owners, outfitters and guides would pay the price for this.....   THEY ARE NOT TO BLAME.

This is like kicking your brother in the nuts because he lives on the same block as a rapist.

This boycott paints with way too broad a brush.

What we SHOULD do, is go after the anti-2A folks who perpetrated this.   Find out which state reps and legislators voted for it.  Find out what their small family owned business is and BOYCOTT THAT.   DO DAMAGE TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE DAMAGE!!!!

This reminds of how THEY behave......   Some criminal minded whack job shoots up a school or theater.   How do they react?   Take away from the good folks by infringing on their rights.   We complain about that all the time - rightly so.    Don't do the same to innocent small business owners who happen to live in Colorado.   We're better than that.

Now, where did I miss the mark?   

How is supporting the mom and pop stores/outlets going to do ANYTHING to get those rights back?  By hitting the mom and pop shops, and ANY other business in the state, and letting them know exactly WHY you're doing it, is where it's going to hit the politicians.  It's going to hurt.  Someone is going to get hit.  Either you continue to give your money to places that agree or disagree on gun control, or you stop giving them your money and they say "Hey, holy *censored*, these wack-jobs in power are REALLY causing us to hurt, economically."  Once the outfits in CO realize that these idiots in power are hurting their pocketbooks, the people that put them in power are going to start hurting THEIR pocketbooks.  Money is the only thing that todays supposed "reps of the people" understand.  When they're getting it, they think they're doing a good job.  When they aren't getting it, they'll realize that some things need to change.  I wish I had the money to wave it at some hunting outfitters in that state and then call them back with a "Thanks anyway" message, and let the know why it is I won't give them, or their state, my money.

OK, so when someone completely screws you over because of what someone else did, you'll feel ok about it.......   right?

Screwing someone else over because someone screwed you over is not ok.

Again, punish those responsible.

How, exactly, do you plan on doing that?  Please enlighten all us evil people that would screw someone over because their state is trying to screw the rest of the country by setting a precedence?

It's sad, it really is.  But the fact of the matter is that pols respond to money.  When Magpul pulls out and lots of other revenue stops coming into the state, the pols will re-examine their decisions on gun-control. 

Like someone else said, a true boycott needs to be organized.  If it isn't, you'll have folks like BC that jump up and run to the state so they can get a good hunt......  Hell, they didn't ban hunting rifles, so it doesn't affect those "people", right?   

Precedence, precedence, precedence.  That is what's going on right now.  If 2 states can get away with it, why can't more?  If one of those states gets SLAMMED because of it, other states that want to trample on our rights will take a much closer look at what they're trying to do. 

Even at the federal level the Dems have backed off on their more draconian gun-control attempts.  Why?  Because they KNOW what is going to happen to them come election time.  They KNOW that the American people don't want more gun-control and have realized that if they enact more laws, they're going to get their asses handed to them like they did in 1994.

[Dave Workman]

According to KUNC radio, “Colorado is a popular destination for hunters in particular, with the state issuing more licenses than any other for big game, including elk. The state Division of Parks and Wildlife says big game hunting nets more than $400 million annually.”

The Grand Junction Sentinel reported back in December 2011 that, “Studies have shown the economic impact of fishing, hunting and wildlife-watching activities to Colorado is $3 billion annually, supporting 33,800 full-time jobs in the state.”

Them are some big numbers....

Yeah, and if that starts going away, the bean counters in Denver are gong to sit up and pay attention, because the guides, outfitters and other business people are going to show up on the governor's front lawn and down at the legislature and in the various districts where these boobs live, and make their lives holy hell.

A boycott that costs the state revenue is the ONLY thing that will get their attention. The only thing that affects these people is a bunch of their constituents showing up with a good grouch on.  They look at us and say "Those jerkweeds from Washington don't vote in my district," but then Billy Bob from Cortez Outfitters shows up and he DOES vote in their district, and he's pissed.

The legislature, as I wrote, just penalized a lot of people who never hurt anyone. They set the stage for loss of a couple of hundred jobs and the loss in possibly several million dollars in revenue.

[Dan-o]

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me.

If this boycott is successful, the people it will hurt most are on our side!!!!

Sure, the entire economy would take a small hit.   But the hunting economy would take a huge beating.   Archery shop owners, gun shop owners, outfitters and guides would pay the price for this.....   THEY ARE NOT TO BLAME.

This is like kicking your brother in the nuts because he lives on the same block as a rapist.

This boycott paints with way too broad a brush.

What we SHOULD do, is go after the anti-2A folks who perpetrated this.   Find out which state reps and legislators voted for it.  Find out what their small family owned business is and BOYCOTT THAT.   DO DAMAGE TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE DAMAGE!!!!

This reminds of how THEY behave......   Some criminal minded whack job shoots up a school or theater.   How do they react?   Take away from the good folks by infringing on their rights.   We complain about that all the time - rightly so.    Don't do the same to innocent small business owners who happen to live in Colorado.   We're better than that.

Now, where did I miss the mark?   

How is supporting the mom and pop stores/outlets going to do ANYTHING to get those rights back?  By hitting the mom and pop shops, and ANY other business in the state, and letting them know exactly WHY you're doing it, is where it's going to hit the politicians.  It's going to hurt.  Someone is going to get hit.  Either you continue to give your money to places that agree or disagree on gun control, or you stop giving them your money and they say "Hey, holy *censored*, these wack-jobs in power are REALLY causing us to hurt, economically."  Once the outfits in CO realize that these idiots in power are hurting their pocketbooks, the people that put them in power are going to start hurting THEIR pocketbooks.  Money is the only thing that todays supposed "reps of the people" understand.  When they're getting it, they think they're doing a good job.  When they aren't getting it, they'll realize that some things need to change.  I wish I had the money to wave it at some hunting outfitters in that state and then call them back with a "Thanks anyway" message, and let the know why it is I won't give them, or their state, my money.

OK, so when someone completely screws you over because of what someone else did, you'll feel ok about it.......   right?

Screwing someone else over because someone screwed you over is not ok.

Again, punish those responsible.

Its the majority of those people in that state that put those politicians in office. The only way they understand the impact of their vote is for them to feel it as well.

Maybe now one of those gun owners will try to explain a little better, the impact, to their friends that voted for these idiots. If you have a friend that voted for someone that potentially effected your income/life wouldn't you do your best to explain the impact to your frined? If your friend still voted that way would you continue to support his business when he clearly doesn't care about you?

So, if the majority of people in mt geographic group are criminals (and I act in such a way to distinguish myself from them) , I should be punished?

You know that most of these small business owners are inherently conservative and pro-2A, but ......  just screw 'em because their neighbors are a bunch of *censored*s??   

You guys are taking a classically liberal/socialist approach to this.   

The majority of the state's voters did put them in office......   I'm betting the majority of small gun shop owners and guides DID NOT.     But hey, we're pissed so screw 'em.     

[JLS]

I understand the anti-CO sentiment, but would not customers boycotting me because I happen to reside in a state with Patty Murray, Jim McDermott, and Jay Inslee as some of our elected representatives.

Couldn't agree more Bob.  After all, maybe we all should do more to control them

[Dave Workman]

Stop buying anything in Washington. We have Patty Murray and several other very anti-gun politicians.

That doesn't wash because they didn't get anything into law. We stopped them.
Maybe Magpul will come here. 

[Dan-o]

So, if some horrible whack job runs a terrible bill through our state legislature, should we take out our revenge on this site owner and the sponsors?   NO!   I say that's ludicrous......

If he voted for the idiot in office that sponsored that bill you bet your ass!!!!

I agree completely!!!!!!!!

But you KNOW that most of the gun shop owners and outfitters didn't vote these *censored*s in.   Why punish them?

[Dave Workman]

So, following the prevailing crowd logic, lets turn a corner....

Look at the owner and most sponsors of this board.   Small businesses trying to eek out a living in the hunting industry.   Some great little businesses sponsor this board....

So, if some horrible whack job runs a terrible bill through our state legislature, should we take out our revenge on this site owner and the sponsors?   NO!   I say that's ludicrous......


Killing innocent people because you're mad is still wrong......   If that's not clear to you, just trade positions and it should be cleared right up.

Well, Dan-O..

What's YOUR idea? 

[snowpack]

Its the majority of those people in that state that put those politicians in office. The only way they understand the impact of their vote is for them to feel it as well.

Maybe now one of those gun owners will try to explain a little better, the impact, to their friends that voted for these idiots. If you have a friend that voted for someone that potentially effected your income/life wouldn't you do your best to explain the impact to your frined? If your friend still voted that way would you continue to support his business when he clearly doesn't care about you?

But what about when severely outnumbered?  Think we can talk sense into Seattle regarding guns? hounds? bear baits? 
My thought is not boycott but encourage more business with the allies down there.  When they get more money, they'll be able to employ more...and become more influential on their side of politics.  Making them weaker makes the overall cause weaker and makes CO a stronger lib state.

[Dan-o]

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me.

If this boycott is successful, the people it will hurt most are on our side!!!!

Sure, the entire economy would take a small hit.   But the hunting economy would take a huge beating.   Archery shop owners, gun shop owners, outfitters and guides would pay the price for this.....   THEY ARE NOT TO BLAME.

This is like kicking your brother in the nuts because he lives on the same block as a rapist.

This boycott paints with way too broad a brush.

What we SHOULD do, is go after the anti-2A folks who perpetrated this.   Find out which state reps and legislators voted for it.  Find out what their small family owned business is and BOYCOTT THAT.   DO DAMAGE TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE DAMAGE!!!!

This reminds of how THEY behave......   Some criminal minded whack job shoots up a school or theater.   How do they react?   Take away from the good folks by infringing on their rights.   We complain about that all the time - rightly so.    Don't do the same to innocent small business owners who happen to live in Colorado.   We're better than that.

Now, where did I miss the mark?   

How is supporting the mom and pop stores/outlets going to do ANYTHING to get those rights back?  By hitting the mom and pop shops, and ANY other business in the state, and letting them know exactly WHY you're doing it, is where it's going to hit the politicians.  It's going to hurt.  Someone is going to get hit.  Either you continue to give your money to places that agree or disagree on gun control, or you stop giving them your money and they say "Hey, holy *censored*, these wack-jobs in power are REALLY causing us to hurt, economically."  Once the outfits in CO realize that these idiots in power are hurting their pocketbooks, the people that put them in power are going to start hurting THEIR pocketbooks.  Money is the only thing that todays supposed "reps of the people" understand.  When they're getting it, they think they're doing a good job.  When they aren't getting it, they'll realize that some things need to change.  I wish I had the money to wave it at some hunting outfitters in that state and then call them back with a "Thanks anyway" message, and let the know why it is I won't give them, or their state, my money.

OK, so when someone completely screws you over because of what someone else did, you'll feel ok about it.......   right?

Screwing someone else over because someone screwed you over is not ok.

Again, punish those responsible.

How, exactly, do you plan on doing that?  Please enlighten all us evil people that would screw someone over because their state is trying to screw the rest of the country by setting a precedence?
I never said it would be easy.  Are you going to be ok if someone shoots you because it was easier than shooting the culprit?  I won't be.  Sometimes justice is evasive.  but that's no reason to perpetrate another injustice.   Two wrongs don't make a right.

It's sad, it really is.  But the fact of the matter is that pols respond to money.  When Magpul pulls out and lots of other revenue stops coming into the state, the pols will re-examine their decisions on gun-control.    I'm glad MagPul is pulling out.  Good for them, and I support them even more fully now.   But not all of the businesses can do that....   and they shouldn't be killed off because of the bad actions of OTHER people.

Like someone else said, a true boycott needs to be organized.  If it isn't, you'll have folks like BC that jump up and run to the state so they can get a good hunt......  Hell, they didn't ban hunting rifles, so it doesn't affect those "people", right?   

Precedence, precedence, precedence.  That is what's going on right now.  If 2 states can get away with it, why can't more?  If one of those states gets SLAMMED because of it, other states that want to trample on our rights will take a much closer look at what they're trying to do.  I agree.   We should not put up with it.  Nor should we kill innocent people because of it.

Even at the federal level the Dems have backed off on their more draconian gun-control attempts.  Why?  Because they KNOW what is going to happen to them come election time.  They KNOW that the American people don't want more gun-control and have realized that if they enact more laws, they're going to get their asses handed to them like they did in 1994.   Agreed that we escaped again.   They will keep coming for us... and we'll need to fight.   But let's not kill innocents because we can't easily get to the culprits.

[iusmc2002]

Dan-o, so you agree that SOMETHING needs to be done, but you don't agree with how most of the folks here would go about it.  What is your idea on how to impact this?  I'm not talking about something over the long-term, 10-12 years from now when those smaller shops are able to expand (maybe, if they're still around) and hire more people and make themselves more "influential".  By actively boycotting EVERYTHING in the state, these BS laws could be squashed much quicker.  I don't WANT to actually hurt a small business owner simply because of their geographic location, but united we stand, or divided we fall.  Simple as that.  I would expect people in other states to boycott the crap out of WA if our pols passed some BS like this.  It's the only way to get their leaders attention.

[actionshooter]

So, following the prevailing crowd logic, lets turn a corner....

Look at the owner and most sponsors of this board.   Small businesses trying to eek out a living in the hunting industry.   Some great little businesses sponsor this board....

So, if some horrible whack job runs a terrible bill through our state legislature, should we take out our revenge on this site owner and the sponsors?   NO!   I say that's ludicrous......


Killing innocent people because you're mad is still wrong......   If that's not clear to you, just trade positions and it should be cleared right up.

Well, Dan-O..

What's YOUR idea? 

You just asked the same question I was thinking!!

 Dan O..........whats the plan?   Go to Colorado like Bobcat while the rest of us try and make a difference?

[Dan-o]

Stop buying anything in Washington. We have Patty Murray and several other very anti-gun politicians.

That doesn't wash because they didn't get anything into law. We stopped them.
Maybe Magpul will come here. 

I say it washes just fine.   Both of our senators voted for Obamacare.

If you're going to be consistent (assuming you think Obamacare is an Abomination), you need to boycott every business sin Washington.

[bobcat]

Dan O..........whats the plan?   Go to Colorado like Bobcat while the rest of us try and make a difference?

 

Dan, I've got room for another hunter in my truck.

I'm thinking I'll get a buck tag and a cow elk tag.   

[Dan-o]

Its the majority of those people in that state that put those politicians in office. The only way they understand the impact of their vote is for them to feel it as well.

Maybe now one of those gun owners will try to explain a little better, the impact, to their friends that voted for these idiots. If you have a friend that voted for someone that potentially effected your income/life wouldn't you do your best to explain the impact to your frined? If your friend still voted that way would you continue to support his business when he clearly doesn't care about you?

But what about when severely outnumbered?  Think we can talk sense into Seattle regarding guns? hounds? bear baits? 
My thought is not boycott but encourage more business with the allies down there.  When they get more money, they'll be able to employ more...and become more influential on their side of politics.  Making them weaker makes the overall cause weaker and makes CO a stronger lib state.

Good point.   "WE" voted to ban bait and hounds right?  so should we boycott all of the site sponsors that live in this state?   OF COURSE NOT.     They site sponsors didn't vote for that and neither did hardly any of us.

[Dan-o]

So, following the prevailing crowd logic, lets turn a corner....

Look at the owner and most sponsors of this board.   Small businesses trying to eek out a living in the hunting industry.   Some great little businesses sponsor this board....

So, if some horrible whack job runs a terrible bill through our state legislature, should we take out our revenge on this site owner and the sponsors?   NO!   I say that's ludicrous......


Killing innocent people because you're mad is still wrong......   If that's not clear to you, just trade positions and it should be cleared right up.

Well, Dan-O..

What's YOUR idea? 

You just asked the same question I was thinking!!

 Dan O..........whats the plan?   Go to Colorado like Bobcat while the rest of us try and make a difference?

Before I go with Bob, can I at least see if I draw Montana?     

OK, so seriously, I would have no problem at all patronizing some good businesses in Colorado.

Again, I'll ask:  Who thinks Obamacare was a horrible, despicable overreach of the Federal gov't (ushered in in a completely unethical manner) and a terrible idea?   I DO!!!!    If you do, are you boycotting all business in Washington because both of our senators voted for it?

Your boycott may in fact make a difference....   by hurting the wrong people.  I want no part of it.

I do want to do some thinking about how to punish the guilty instead of the nearby innocent who are easy to get to.