gun confiscation going on now in connecticut

[csaaphill]

http://ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2013/03/red-alert-police-disarming-citizens-by.html
theres a video to watch on the link

[pianoman9701]

He submitted to a warrantless search (he said it was under duress, but he submitted), forfeiting his 4th Amendment rights. This was incredibly stupid. I agree that the police overstepped their bounds, but they wouldn't have without that permission. I would never submit to warrantless search under any circumstance, in my car, at my home, walking down the street.

Like the guy in NJ, he should have denied their request to enter his residence and called an attorney immediately. This should be a lesson to all of us, especially veterans under the care of the VA.

[csaaphill]

ya but i heard too that he felt that he didn't have a choice or would have ended badly for him. So not sure, but thought this should be shared.

[pianoman9701]

Thanks. It's a good lesson for us that the Gubmint isn't there for our rights.

[Bean Counter]

If you consent to a search, you can still reassert your rights later and tell the cops to cease their search and leave your property, so long as they haven't already developed probable cause to arrest you or make a seizure.

[pianoman9701]

If you consent to a search, you can still reassert your rights later and tell the cops to cease their search and leave your property, so long as they haven't already developed probable cause to arrest you or make a seizure.

Once the camel's nose is under the tent,...

It's best to know your rights from the start.

[csaaphill]

Listening to this again I heard him say his truck was comendeared told he wasn't going anywheres that itself would put a 50 yr old to comply people who dont usually end up worse, or dead. I hear too he complyed but under duress meaning probably scared to death, and didn't think to say no. I heard too he was threatened to blow up the safe if he didn't comply so who knows. Also it was said that this coudl be a test on what they can get away with. Or get the weakest ones first before they go after those that will fight.

[pianoman9701]

Listening to this again I heard him say his truck was comendeared told he wasn't going anywheres that itself would put a 50 yr old to comply people who dont usually end up worse, or dead. I hear too he complyed but under duress meaning probably scared to death, and didn't think to say no. I heard too he was threatened to blow up the safe if he didn't comply so who knows. Also it was said that this coudl be a test on what they can get away with. Or get the weakest ones first before they go after those that will fight.

Yeah, I heard all of that, too. Big boys with big guns scared me to death. Do you see yourself being scared into relinquishing your rights, CSA? I'd like to know exactly what "commandeered" means, too. "Sir, will you pull your car over there and get out?" "Am I being detained?" would have been the proper response. I'm betting this guy did everything they said without question, again not knowing his rights. Cops absolutely will let you relinquish your rights if you don't know them.

[Bean Counter]

Once the camel's nose is under the tent,...

It's best to know your rights from the start.

Yes it is. However, the principal of what I mention is important with your 5th Amendment rights as well. LEO approaches you and starts asking you questions. All of the sudden you realize that he suspects you of something and you get nervous. Don't think that because you started answering questions that means you have to keep running your mouth. You are perfectly free to respectfully decline answering questions at any point in the conversation.

[pianoman9701]

Once the camel's nose is under the tent,...

It's best to know your rights from the start.

Yes it is. However, the principal of what I mention is important with your 5th Amendment rights as well. LEO approaches you and starts asking you questions. All of the sudden you realize that he suspects you of something and you get nervous. Don't think that because you started answering questions that means you have to keep running your mouth. You are perfectly free to respectfully decline answering questions at any point in the conversation.

I absolutely agree 100%

[NoImpactNoIdea]

If you consent to a search, you can still reassert your rights later and tell the cops to cease their search and leave your property, so long as they haven't already developed probable cause to arrest you or make a seizure.

While this is true do you think that the average Joe knows about Ferrier?

[pianoman9701]

If you don't know enough to refuse a search request, chances are you don't know about Ferrier.

[csaaphill]

Listening to this again I heard him say his truck was comendeared told he wasn't going anywheres that itself would put a 50 yr old to comply people who dont usually end up worse, or dead. I hear too he complyed but under duress meaning probably scared to death, and didn't think to say no. I heard too he was threatened to blow up the safe if he didn't comply so who knows. Also it was said that this coudl be a test on what they can get away with. Or get the weakest ones first before they go after those that will fight.

Yeah, I heard all of that, too. Big boys with big guns scared me to death. Do you see yourself being scared into relinquishing your rights, CSA? I'd like to know exactly what "commandeered" means, too. "Sir, will you pull your car over there and get out?" "Am I being detained?" would have been the proper response. I'm betting this guy did everything they said without question, again not knowing his rights. Cops absolutely will let you relinquish your rights if you don't know them.

lol prolly why they havent came after me yet  but even though I kow about my rights i don't know about the ferrier thing what is it?
Did you check out the 2nd part? Theres a link on the vid  that say part two it's a bit longer and goes into more of what the old man did and why. Not really defending the guys actions just know fear being  a law abiding citizen sheeple does get us into trouble a lot.
Thinking they're going after the say ones firs though then will tackle those that stand up for thier rights later.

[pianoman9701]

Ferrier is the knock and talk ruling. If the police come to your house and say they've had some sort of a complaint - no warrant - and would like to come in, they're also supposed to tell you that you don't have to let them. Normally, they'll have you sign a consent form and on the form, it should say you don't have to consent to warrantless search. Any time they knock and talk without a warrant means that they've either attempted to get one and failed or know right from the get go they don't have enough to get one. Special conditions must exist when police search your home for a warrant to be issued, as your domicile is particularly protected under the 4th Amendment.

And, people will sign anything without reading it. Some are really dumb.

[Crunchy]

Special conditions ?   Which ones would those be?