Snakes - vaccinating and breaking?

[boneaddict]

Poisonous snake bite vaccine for dogs can prevent pain and suffering and may save the dog's life. Cost is minimal and only yearly boosters are necessary after the initial round of vaccinations. Probably about 30 bucks and then about 20 and 20 more.   Dogs that are bitten by venomous snakes must get emergency treatment even if they have received the bite vaccine, so you really aren't saving much for vet bills.    I think its 3 in a million or something like that that have reaction to the vaccination serious enough to cause death.  Most of the time 1 and a 1000, discomfort and swelling at injection site.   If you love your dog and have the money, its insurance and probably wouldn't hurt.   I stll think if you are hunting snake country your dogs should be snake broke somehow, of course skunk broke and porcupine broke might also be good ideas.

[JM]

I had my lab vaccinated. My reasoning behind it was to give me more time to get her to the vet if she is bitten. My grandpa's hounds used to get bit on occasion, and I'll never forget when I was a kid and watching a 100 pound walker that would chase bear and cat turn inside out trying to get away from a little rattler that we had in our garage.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I have had two dogs bit by rattlesnakes.  One was vaccinated and was 62 days into her pregnancy... (1 day from due!).  She was down for 24 hours and swelled up pretty quick but it was otherwise a concern with fever and pain management.  The other dog hadn't been vaccinated and swelled up BAD and was down for a few days. 

I would suggest vaccinating them for snakebite if it is a concern.  It's money well spent.

[Don Fischer]

What I understand about the vaccine is that it will not save your dog, it does give you more time to get to the vet though. I've also read that most snake bite's are dry bite's. Dry or not I would worry. We had a vet years ago come to a club meeting and he was asked about snake bite. He said get the dog calm and keep him that way; by the time you get to a vet the dog will be dead or better. Stop and think about some of the place's we hunt, no vet within a lot miles!

[WAcoyotehunter]

I have not see a dog die from snakebite.  I guess a small dog bit in a bad spot (throat?) might die, but my border collie swelled up and was miserabel, but lived.  My Aussie got bit right on the face and lived.  She was swelled and miserable, but dogs can take some abuse.

[AspenBud]

I have not see a dog die from snakebite.  I guess a small dog bit in a bad spot (throat?) might die, but my border collie swelled up and was miserabel, but lived.  My Aussie got bit right on the face and lived.  She was swelled and miserable, but dogs can take some abuse.

Severity depends on the snake and the nature of the bite. My wife did a veterinary externship down in Bend a few years ago and encountered a lab that had been bit and in the end the dog lost the affected leg.

It's also educational to hop on the Pointing Dog Journal forum if you have a subscription. Some of those guys absolutely loathe rattlesnakes as they have had dogs maimed and killed by them.

Look, a well bred, well trained bird dog is an expensive and time consuming investment. Why take chances when there are ways to minimize them? We throw the dice every time we take them out as it is.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I agree.  Get the vaccine and take your chances.  If they get bit, it's going to help.

[AWS]

In Feb. my GWHP was snake bit while coyote hunting in NM.  I never knew it happenned, neither did the dog.  Dog got bit in the side behind the front leg, must have got it running past the snake.  Pretty sick dog, vet didn't use anti-venoum just massive doses of Benidryl, Rimadryl and another anti-inflamitory.  Took about a week for him to get back to 100%

[Smossy]

I'd go the break route. I have an uncle that does in SE OR.

I've been talked out of the vaccination by my pops, who's a vet. My fiance got talked out of it when she went in a few years back. We have them on this end of the valley, so I'm back to being worried about it again, especially with a pup running around.

Seen this guy on the road this weekend, haven't seen any of his nastier cousins yet. He was right at 3ft.

Gardener snake?

[WAcoyotehunter]

garter.  I saw my first two of them yesterday up here in Pend Oreille Co.

[coveydogs]

I get my pups vaccinated every year.  One had a mild reaction (golf ball size swell) the first year to the vaccination, nothing years since.  I hunt lots of big country in a lot of states, if it gives me 4 hours instead of 2 to get to a vet, it gets my 30 bucks.

I also snake break my dogs.  NAVHDA chapter in Portland puts on a good clinic every year, worth the drive.  http://pnwnavhda.com/  site has contacts you could email about the dates, not sure when they are having it this year.  They do sight, smell and sound stations for the dogs which I think make sense.  Zap the dog up on the rattle, when the dogs smells the snake and when the dog sees one.  All three are in separate locations in the field on different snakes.

I try not to hunt areas snakes are common until after it gets cold, and I have not had a problem.  Porkies on the other hand...

[elkaholic33]

I had two dogs bit by a snake a few years ago. 

My lab got bit on the nose, so it was obvious.  We took her to the vet right away and the vet gave her benadryl.  Next day, good as new.

My gsp got bit under the jaw.  It must have pointed the snake and the snake came up and bit him.  I could not find the puncture, so he did not go to the vet.  Next day he was so swelled up.  Took him to the vet and he got an IV since he was dehydrated.  Couple days later, was back to normal.  Dead skin under his jaw, but that is the only thing that would let you know he was ever bit.

Vet told us that most dogs do not need anti-venom. 

I carry children's benadryl with me out hunting.  Recommended dosage for dogs is 1mb/1lb.  Children's benadryl is 12.5mg.  4 for the shorthair.  6 for the lab.

Talk to your vet to see what they recommend.

Jasen

[Shannon]

I vaccinate my dogs every year. I had a dog bit about 5 feet from me one day and he never knew he was bit. He started foaming at the mouth and was real sluggish. His foot was starting to swell in minutes. We rushed him to the closest vet in BFE Montana. He spent the night there and we cut the hunt a day short and brought the dog home. The dog was a weim and normally had skinny legs. When we picked him up his leg was as big around as my upper fore arm. The doctor swore by the vaccine and said he sees 200+ snake bites a year. He said it doubles your time to get the dog to a vet but if the snake hits a vain the dog will die within an hour. Vaccine or no vaccine. Fortunately my buddies dog made it just fine without any lasting side affects. The vet said the tissue damage is less with vaccinated dogs. I had a vet in Omak tell me she thought it was a waste of time though. I still do it every year because I hunt so far from civilization. My buddies dog got bit the last week of October and it was 19 degrees. So much for waiting until its cold to avoid snakes.

[Birddogman]

I would consider vaccinating my dog where I hunt Chukar.  But what I do is wait for the first good freeze, and generally after that you are alright.  I have hunted rattlesnake country with my dogs for 7 years and no issues so far.  I do carry benedryl just in case though.  At least this gives my dog a chance if they were bit in the face or an area they can't take too much swelling in.  There is a group that has hosted classes in the past though, Central Washington Pointing Dog Club.  It is a little early to see these clinics pop up, put if i see one I'll let you know.  If you want to DIY, PM me and I'll tell you how i have done it and seen it done.

[wildweeds]

For do it yourselfers if you have a sack big enough to go catch a snake,I know a fellow that catches a snake,put's it in a gunny sack,inserts the gunnysack in a cooler full of blocked ice,wait for the snake to cool off and become sluggish,remove snake,pry jaw open,remove fangs with pliers and then stitch mouth shut,and let warm back up and use on your dog for multiple training sessions,for release,back in cooler,cut stitches,place on ground and hit the road.For those with sack enough to catch one and implement the easy red button on maximum power training who are greedy and looking to make a quick buck,you can catch some snakes and put on an aversion clinic to make money,plenty of fools willing to shell out 75 bucks for a chance to work the dog on a snake.The guy I know did it for free with all the locals around Pomeroy.