I hate wolves. JUST hate them

[AspenBud]

I was more referring to your environmental views and apparent disgust for man. I'm sure the world would be better off if the government just started 'acquiring' millions of acres of undeveloped land and deemed it 'protected.'

You continue to make all sorts of assumptions about my beliefs and environmental views based on my opinion on wolves.  I'm all for more protected wilderness.  I can't see why any hunter would be against that, as long as costs to the taxpayer aren't out of proportion.  I can think of many worse things we spend our tax dollars on.

Wolves COST the government (state and federal) millions to manage and provide detriment in return.

Mostly because the government has done a *censored* poor job of managing them.  Didn't we just spend some $70,000+ to shoot a couple wolves from a helicopter last year because they killed cattle grazing on public land?  I seem to remember something like that.  Seems to me that one of the wolf haters on this forum would have done it for free.  You going to blame poor government management on an animal too?

What's next?  Wolves don't serve in the army?  They don't pay their taxes?  They aren't members of the NRA?  THEY DON"T GO TO CHURCH!?!?!

What you also fail to understand is that hunting and trapping alone will never come close to managing wolf populations. Killing them from planes and choppers or poisoning them is really the only way to effectively get it done (along with hunting and trapping of course). You have about a zero chance of walking out into the backcountry of MT, WY or ID and killing a wolf. The odds of success are like winning the lottery because wolves are smart. I have buddies in ID that have hunted them for 10 days straight and they knew where they were too, but couldn't get it done.

Didn't the recent 10 day season in MN result in 110 wolves down?  Think I read that on the previous thread.  Never heard of 110 people winning the lottery in 10 days. 

You are either being naive or you are just ignorant. Lets look at the west here where the land and accessibility dynamic is FAR different. Look at the number of tags in ID and MT that were issued last year and then look at the harvest, then get back with me.


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Why don't you post the number of tags in ID and MT vs the harvest and enlighten all of us, instead of continuing with the soap-box conjecture?

If it's your argument, make it yourself. 

43,000 wolf tags were sold in ID in 2012 and 375 wolves were killed or trapped. That's less than 1% success rate (since doing the math might not mean me making the argument myself). Trapping success was much better than traditional hunting too, so the numbers are further skewed.

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/04/03/rockybarker/idaho_hunters_and_trappers_kill_375_wolves


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That doesn't bode well for the argument that they are a threat to humans. If hunters, people who actively try to conceal themselves so they can shoot wolves, have that hard a time finding them...

Always a silver lining for a liberal.


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Not really, it was Obama who signed the document that delisted them.   

Obama had no idea, it was a rider. It was probably on page 1699 in the footnotes.


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Doesn't matter, he still signed it.   

[elk247]

Derailed.... This is an "I hate wolves thread"  the Obama thread is seperate.

[pianoman9701]

They're not mutually exclusive, you know. You can hate both!

[elk247]

I do!  I also hate Heiniken beer, craft singles, and blue cheese dressing. I don't think they belong in a wolf thread though.

[pianoman9701]

I do!  I also hate Heiniken beer, craft singles, and blue cheese dressing. I don't think they belong in a wolf thread though.

Cooked wolf with Kraft (with a K) singles melted over them and wolf tenderloin medallions, marinated in Heineken, roasted and dipped in blue cheese? Oh, come on!

[elk247]

All yours, billy joel.

[pianoman9701]

 

[elk247]

Maybe im missing out. If you are what you eat then wolf must be a combo of deer, elk, moose, and cattle. All my favorite foods.

[Smossy]

Its cool. No big deal if wolves can just roam around and kill anything that walks. Including your hunting dogs and pets.

[turkeyfeather]

You know what they will say smossy. That those dogs were hunting dogs and therefore part of the food chain and deserved it.

[Smossy]

You know what they will say smossy. That those dogs were hunting dogs and therefore part of the food chain and deserved it.

Probably but even if so, how does that justify that they deserved to be inhumanely ripped to pieces? Theyre not used to kill other animals. Theyre used for theyre amazing ability to track an animal, in which that animal is usually terminated as quickly and as humanely as possibly. Not ripped apart piece by piece.  Some people are just retarded. If a wolf put a bullet into an animal right before they ate the entire thing. That would be different.  Kinda lol, and a freak of nature but still.

[Johnb317]

After man I'd hazard to say that wolves are the next most efficient predator. (okay so let's say in North America and Northern Europe)
Like man they can hunt alone or in groups.
And like man they can hunt not only for food but for the sport of it.  (Bird hunters .... notice how your dog loves to hunt)

Unlike man they recognize no boundaries or game laws.  They don't self regulate.

We hunters are like canary in the mine... we quickly notice when game animals start disappearing and it was hunters that were the first to recognize the need for conservation, and habitat preservation.   
Most tree huggers never go out into the woods, and if they do they hike quickly and noisily from place to place rarely seeing any large animals.  So it's not until it's too late (and the wolves are hungry) when they might figure it out.

 

[turkeyfeather]

After man I'd hazard to say that wolves are the next most efficient predator. (okay so let's say in North America and Northern Europe)
Like man they can hunt alone or in groups.
And like man they can hunt not only for food but for the sport of it.  (Bird hunters .... notice how your dog loves to hunt)

Unlike man they recognize no boundaries or game laws.  They don't self regulate.

We hunters are like canary in the mine... we quickly notice when game animals start disappearing and it was hunters that were the first to recognize the need for conservation, and habitat preservation.   
Most tree huggers never go out into the woods, and if they do they hike quickly and noisily from place to place rarely seeing any large animals.  So it's not until it's too late (and the wolves are hungry) when they might figure it out.

You couldn't be more correct on this. It amazes me how many "conservationists" or tree huggers I have talked to that go into the woods only in groups or in other ways that will almost insure that they rarely see an animal. So they don't truly see the impact on nature that the decisions they vote for or agree with cause. I camped and hiked in the woods all the time and it wasn't until I started hunting 5 years ago that I could truly appreciate nature.

[gaddy]

i see it as just a mater of time before humans get involved. wolves kill to eat, for sport & just because that's what they do. not only is there diseases involved. but there are also cases of domestic dogs mauling & killing people. domestic dogs that have lived amongst people. now think about a pack that doesn't think of anything but killing to survive, or fun, or just cause that's what they do. have no boundaries or care what you are. you are game.
ever been attacked by a dog? its vicious. don't matter how cute & fuzzy they are.
when the wolf lovers start to get bit while visiting nature i bet things change.

[JLS]

I was more referring to your environmental views and apparent disgust for man. I'm sure the world would be better off if the government just started 'acquiring' millions of acres of undeveloped land and deemed it 'protected.'

You continue to make all sorts of assumptions about my beliefs and environmental views based on my opinion on wolves.  I'm all for more protected wilderness.  I can't see why any hunter would be against that, as long as costs to the taxpayer aren't out of proportion.  I can think of many worse things we spend our tax dollars on.

Wolves COST the government (state and federal) millions to manage and provide detriment in return.

Mostly because the government has done a *censored* poor job of managing them.  Didn't we just spend some $70,000+ to shoot a couple wolves from a helicopter last year because they killed cattle grazing on public land?  I seem to remember something like that.  Seems to me that one of the wolf haters on this forum would have done it for free.  You going to blame poor government management on an animal too?

What's next?  Wolves don't serve in the army?  They don't pay their taxes?  They aren't members of the NRA?  THEY DON"T GO TO CHURCH!?!?!

What you also fail to understand is that hunting and trapping alone will never come close to managing wolf populations. Killing them from planes and choppers or poisoning them is really the only way to effectively get it done (along with hunting and trapping of course). You have about a zero chance of walking out into the backcountry of MT, WY or ID and killing a wolf. The odds of success are like winning the lottery because wolves are smart. I have buddies in ID that have hunted them for 10 days straight and they knew where they were too, but couldn't get it done.

Didn't the recent 10 day season in MN result in 110 wolves down?  Think I read that on the previous thread.  Never heard of 110 people winning the lottery in 10 days. 

Can't speak for Minnesota, but it's my understanding that, at least in the beginning, wolf hunters in Wisconsin were wildly more successful than the DNR out there thought they would be.

They were also successful in reducing numbers in Wyoming in the trophy hunt/controlled area.  However, that doesn't seem to stop anyone from parrotting the internet mantra that "we'll never control wolf numbers with hunting".  BS.  If we couldn't control them, numbers would continue to rise.  They aren't, so they are being controlled to some degree.

They are rising in ID and MT. Get a clue.


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Haha, I don't have a clue.  Numbers from both states show numbers trending downward.  I'm sure they're all made up though