Elk Calls

[dkecoleman]

Has anyone used the Pack "A" Bull calling system, if so what's your thoughts? I'm new to calling and looking for a tube to learn on, currently looking at Bugling Bull and Phelps. Thanks for any inputs.

[LBES]

I haven't used those brands... but the Primos stuff has always been good for me. I have the Primos Terminator (a classic and super easy) and also have the baffle bugle which is a little smaller (easy to pack) and has more of a scream which I like because it sounds a little smaller... and since you're also in Orting, I could give ya a demo?

[MIKEXRAY]

I use the Bugling Bulls elk calls and really get good results.  I've been with a few other hunters over the years who call first on all the other calls available and I would say a half dozen times they called with no results and I would let out a locator call & get a reply. Something about my Bugling bull tube they really like. I haven't tried them all and by no means am an expert but I give them two thumbs up.  Mike

[dkecoleman]

Thanks for the replies, there are a lot of options out there. I have heard nothing but good things a out BB and Phelps.

[dfresh96]

Phelps has been good to me!!! Haven't closed the deal yet but got replies.

[Morrison4375]

I like the berry fatal attraction cow call and all of the phelps calls

[pianoman9701]

Jason Phelps' single reed wooden calls are the bomb. He also has a great assortment of reeds and sells a nifty tube. I was with Washelkhunter last year driving a small herd nuts with a combination of those and a Primos tube call.

[Crunchy]

I would buy a few different reeds to see which ones work best for you. Find one that you can nail every try.  Go to toysrus and buy a few plastic bats and start experimenting with different sized openings.  You can make a few bugles.  You will be surprised how good they may sound.  I enjoy DIY projects and it doesn't get much simpler. 

[Tbar]

There are several good calls and call makers out there (phelps, berry, bugling bulls, even primos). That said you have to look at the season and what you are targeting. Phelps cow call is a great call and real easy to use. Bugling bulls calls are very consistent (the most consistent I've used). I've also called several bulls using berry calls exclusively.
 Now to the next level of hunting/calling elk. I cannot put a value on what I've learned from Glenn Berry and Elknut. Their instruction and customer service is off the chart. Elknut is an encyclopedia of elk hunting I would recommend shooting him a pm. He runs one of the best businesses I have ever dealt with.   

[TheHunt]

I have not used phelps calls but I have tried the rest.  If you are looking for a tube it has to have the right ring.  Elk Nut's, Joel Turners, BB all have the right tone.  Different plastics have tone capabilities.  For me the tube will determine the type of hunting you are planning on doing.  If you are hunting out of an ATV, Motorcycle, truck then the size does not matter.  If you are back packing into the timber and have limited space then Joel Turners in my opinion is the ticket. It is small protected enough that will not make noise if it gets banged by brush. 

If you are looking for a diaphragm you will have to see which ones have a consistency of the anchor position of the latex to the call.  That is quality manufacturing of the call.  Poor quality will make you learn each diaphragm as each one will have a different tone.  So look at the packages at the store.  If you see different anchor points or stress points then do not buy.  Here are the ones that I see which have quality.  BB diaphragm two years ago had poor quality.  I looked at 20 packages at the Puyallup Archery shop and they all were inconsistent.  The ones which provided the best at the store was Glen Berry.  Premo is a hit and miss but you can take the entire rack off the wall and find 7 that look exactly the same.

Just my opinion...

[JPhelps]

I don't know if this thread has diverged or not but I will do my best to answer some questions and explain my process.

First of all for an external mouthpiece bugle the conqueror mouthpiece is as good as it gets (used by me, BB and Elknut).

For Diaphragms, I GUARANTEE every one of my diaphragms will be the SAME!!!  If they aren't I toss them in the garbage pile and make another one.  If for any reason you get a call that isn't the same as the last one I made you let me know (I have made a few changes to the calls over time though) and I will get you taken care of.  This is the one added bonus of me being the QA/QC as the calls leave the shop.

With all of that said...
Unfortunately, there is only one way to find out what diaphragms are going to work for you.  Everyone's mouth is different. You need to buy some and practice and test for yourself. Some people want/need a palate plate, sonic dome, crowned diaphragm. Some like a single, while others like triples. Also the issue is every one applies tongue pressure differently.

I have many customers that don't like a palate plate or a dome and I also have many customers who feel they need it. Pallete size is important in selecting the right size of frame. I can make my calls on a youth frame or an adult small (not very small). I'm also in the process of having my own custom sized frame built that should work for 95% of callers while providing an easier to use all around call.

The majority of my calls are built as single reeds. The pitch is easier to control and the call is predictable. With that said I do offer a few double reeds,a 2.5 reed and a triple reed . I also build cow only, bull only, all around and locator specific diaphragms.  I can also work with you to build custom calls specifically to your liking.

[TheHunt]

Something to consider on the external mouth piece bugle tubes.    It is hard to chuckle and sputter bugle which will sound like the real deal. 

[SemperFidelis97]

I cannot speak for everyone, but I think you would be better off learning to cow call first leave the bugle at home, in my experience they chase off more elk than they call in.  I would be interested in your youth diaphragms Jason my wife cannot seem to find a good fit in mouth reeds since they are all too big for her mouth I will have to check out your site.

[dkecoleman]

 

I cannot speak for everyone, but I think you would be better off learning to cow call first leave the bugle at home, in my experience they chase off more elk than they call in.

I have been playing with a cow call for a little bit now, starting to get the hang of it. Yeah, I'm a little skeptical about using a tube, I would like to learn to do a locator call. I believe that could be extremely useful. Just from the research I've done, (and I don't know much) It seems like a lot of guys make the mistake of bugling too far away from the herd bull, so he rounds up the ladies and heads out.

[SemperFidelis97]

The hard part if you are hunting locally is knowing if you are around elk at all let alone the herd bull its so damn thick.  I hunt around my place up the hill here from you, and I have found it best to just get into a place in the morning darkness let things settle than do soft cow calling sequences every 5 minutes, or so.  I have had pretty good luck getting allot of bulls to come in which doesn't necessarily mean a kill with a bow, but I do get to see allot of them.  I do hunt all private land though, and I am just speaking about local experience things may be allot different wherever you decide to hunt.