Leaving montec in the dust!!

[stevemiller]

 

I have shot alot of diff heads. Started shooting Savora's, Killed a buck double lung went less then 50 yards. I have killed a buck with every head I have ever shot and shot placement is far more important than what head ur shooting. (as long as its sharp).
My list:
Savora's
Thunderheads
Muzzy's (weakest blades of them all)
Wac Ems Good head just expensive
Slick Trick St What I shoot now, Strong head easy to sharpen and excellent customer service.
Slick Trick Mags- Standards just fly better.
Next head I will shoot will be Magnus Stingers with bleeder blades. (no better customer service and its a good head).

  Ive used them all as well and everything i hit died just the same as the next head that i shot.never saw any diff. in flight,or distance.

[superdown]

Most of the wasp broad heads i saw on google image search weren't cut on contact, would you suggest a cut on contact or other? 

This will be my first year bow hunting. What broad head would you recommend?

   
 I spoke with our grinder and stamper last week and we are still 10-12 weeks out on our new production blades.  And I can not make ferrules until first article blades hit my door here in Washington.  So it doesn't look good for new Savora's this year.  But, there are still some good heads being made out there.  I would refer you to my first post on this thread.  Those are fine blades attached to fine ferrules.  You do not get a high carbon blade option, but each of those manufacturers are now using the better stainless in their blades.  I would probably use the Stryker or WASP if I wasn't using my own heads.

[RadSav]

Chisel point/cut-on-contact basically the same thing and no difference.  And actually if you are one to prize splitting of bone most chisel points do this better than most cut on contact.  But, unless you are shooting a very short draw length and extremely low poundage penetration is not a problem these days.  It's far more important to the success of sales than it is to the importance of actually killing an animal. 

I have not ever had the wife shoot a blade style cutting tipped head.  I want the best blood trails for her so she always shoots three blade heads.  She shoots 24.5" draw with Beman ICS 500 arrows 25.5 or 26"  depending on bow.  Draw weight is usually between 48 & 52#.  Speed generally between 214 & 217 fps.  She has never lost an animal she has shot (wish I could say the same).  And she has taken elk standing still at 4 yards, on the run at 45 yards and reached out on a bugling bull at 58 yards (plus many many more).  One of her quickest kills was a small buck at 67 yards.  I have never seen her arrow fail to fully penetrate a deer and I've never seen her arrows fail to take both lungs.  Even if on occasion she does not get an exit wound we always have short blood trails if we even need to blood trail at all.  She plain whacks and stacks the big critters!

Now if penetrations is not an issue for her at the distances she is capable of harvesting...  I don't know where it would be a problem with adult men shooting heavier draw weights, longer draw lengths, heavier arrows and considerably faster speeds.  The past few years I have been shooting more and more animals with 62# of draw weight and lighter arrows.  And I'd bet I spend more time looking for my pass thru arrows than I do for the animals I've shot.

Cut on contact improving penetration is largely a wives tail anyway.  So I wouldn't worry about that at all.  Concentrate your efforts on finding good sharp blades that stay sharp and don't worry yourself too much about penetration.  If you are going on safari in Africa perhaps we should discuss penetration further.  But here in America...chose "SHARP" and be happy!

[CoryTDF]

And she has taken elk standing still at 4 yards, on the run at 45 yards

  Really on the run? Why would you take that shot??? Was it wounded already? I mean good for her for killing it but that's a pretty sketchy shot. It's obvious that you are very knowledgeable about bow hunting and are skilled as well but why admit to a running shot. That will get you fired on on most forums fast as heck! I shot a doe at 63 once and just that got me almost run out of a forum. I was just wondering the circumstance behind that shot. Sounds like your wife is more than just a little skilled with a bow and I'm more of a mindset of "Take the shots you are confident you can make" If you shoot a softball size group at 80 yards and feel comfortable with that shot and have enough power to kill. By all means take it. I wont, but that does not mean it cant be done. 

[jason stevens]

If you want bloodtrails check out toxic broadheads they leave holes but a bit of advice don't shoot to many into your block or you'll have to buy A new one

[RadSav]

And she has taken elk standing still at 4 yards, on the run at 45 yards

  Really on the run? Why would you take that shot??? Was it wounded already? I mean good for her for killing it but that's a pretty sketchy shot. It's obvious that you are very knowledgeable about bow hunting and are skilled as well but why admit to a running shot. That will get you fired on on most forums fast as heck! I shot a doe at 63 once and just that got me almost run out of a forum. I was just wondering the circumstance behind that shot. Sounds like your wife is more than just a little skilled with a bow and I'm more of a mindset of "Take the shots you are confident you can make" If you shoot a softball size group at 80 yards and feel comfortable with that shot and have enough power to kill. By all means take it. I wont, but that does not mean it cant be done.

Each opportunity and situation is different.  At the right angle and right situation a running shot can give better results than an animal standing still but alert.  Back in the day of Fred Bear and Ben Pearson people celebrated the accomplishment of something out of the ordinary.  Today with all the know it all but done nothing internet experts you can't fart the wrong smell, shoot the wrong distance or tie your shoe left handed without someone accusing you of being unethical or racist.

We watched that elk fall within seconds of being hit dead center through the heart.  Sure she was trying to take out the aortic arch so she missed her spot by a few inches.  But she is not going to apologies for it because some paranoid tree stand expert from Michigan says it can't be done without the assistance of David Copperfield.  Usually these same people rejoice at the thought of going into the woods with a self bow, wood arrows and file sharpened broadheads even though history has taught us these things are rarely ever used effectively.  Fred Bear developed the POD for a reason.  We lost our rights to hunt Rhodesia Africa with a bow because of it. It was actually punishable by death for a while.  Not until Duke Savora worked with the government during the Chipinda Pools studies was it re-instated.  But we never hear of that by the internet fashion police because they don't care and don't know their history.  They would rather throw names from the security of their home computers or iPhones while driving through a school zone. 

There is a reason we do not use Facebook, Twitter or frequent any other forum site beyond Hunting-Washington.  Too damn many self proclaimed experts with no real experience for me to worry about.  Congratulations to you for tagging that beautiful doe at 63 yards.  I say, "Job well done."  I bet she tasted great!


Oh, and by the way...that elk was not injured.  It was actually running away from some Dude who had just missed it three times at less than 40 yards with about $1,500.00 worth of Hoyt bow and gadgets.  Not a single scratch on it until the squaw took out the pump house.  When we talked to the other bowhunter later he mentioned he had missed two other elk in that herd as well.  One at 35 yards and one about 50.  All standing broadside.  I bet the IBEF brigade would think of him as a model citizen

[CoryTDF]

Hoyts are good bows but man do they attract some idiots. At the 3D shoots there are some groups of Hoyt shooters you know the type, Hoyt shirt, Hoyt hat, Hoyt tattoo, Hoyt underwear, Hoyt glasses, Hoyt rings, Drinking out of Hoyt water bottles, Eating Hoyt crackers, Sitting in Hoyt chairs, Talking about Hoyt bows. We always laugh at those guys. Hoyt............lol. Good bows weird crowd.

And yes my Doe was wonderfull! Shot a cow elk at 53 yards the year before that and she died same as if it was 2 yards. Shoot what you have the ablity to shot thats my motto.

[D-Rock425]

Hoyts are good bows but man do they attract some idiots. At the 3D shoots there are some groups of Hoyt shooters you know the type, Hoyt shirt, Hoyt hat, Hoyt tattoo, Hoyt underwear, Hoyt glasses, Hoyt rings, Drinking out of Hoyt water bottles, Eating Hoyt crackers, Sitting in Hoyt chairs, Talking about Hoyt bows. We always laugh at those guys. Hoyt............lol. Good bows weird crowd.

And yes my Doe was wonderfull! Shot a cow elk at 53 yards the year before that and she died same as if it was 2 yards. Shoot what you have the ablity to shot thats my motto.

hey you just described me.

[RadSav]

Hoyts are good bows but man do they attract some idiots.

For sure.  But I'd bet not as many as Mathews 

A lot of folks ask me whether they should buy a Hoyt bow of a certain model.  If I advise against it they still go out and buy one.  Then there are the folks that ask me whether they should buy a Mathews of a certain model.  If I advise against it they tell me, "Too late, I already bought one!"  Sort of a running joke around our place.  The wife believes I should ask Hoyt and Mathews for commission for advising shooters against a particular model of their bows since nearly 100% of the time it means they go out and buy one just to spite me

...I don't think D-Rock ever asked for my advise

[CoryTDF]

I shoot a struthers SR-71 and I like it. It's a little heavy but I like it. I bought it before Kevin sold the company. I had a friend here in Walla Walla who worked for him and was an assembler and dealer. I'll move to a lighter bow in a few years but wit ha 27'' draw @65 pounds I get 300fps with a 390 grain arrow. It works for me.

[RadSav]

I shoot a struthers SR-71 and I like it. It's a little heavy but I like it. I bought it before Kevin sold the company. I had a friend here in Walla Walla who worked for him and was an assembler and dealer. I'll move to a lighter bow in a few years but wit ha 27'' draw @65 pounds I get 300fps with a 390 grain arrow. It works for me.

I've always liked the Strothers bows, but man did they ever get eaten up by bad reviews during this last ATA show.  I never made it over to their shooting booth this year to see for myself.  Not sure exactly what was going wrong but the show was a buzz about how dreadful it was over there.  His old company Elite on the other hand was taking some serious business away from Hoyt and Mathews.  Dealer were loving the 2013 Elite lineup.

[CoryTDF]

As far as I understand it once he sold Struthers it went to poop. Glad i got one of the orginal bows. It works good for me. My buddy one an Elite 500 in a raffle before the company was even really off the ground. We met Kevin and he told us all about his new bows and we both left wanting one. Well my buddy ended up willing the raffle bow. He still has it today and it shoots great. That was in 2003 or 2004 at the Blue Mt. Archery Spring Fling shoot.

[demontang]

Man ive played with the new strothers bows and like them. Ive talked to the guys there a few times and the customer serv seems great too. The rush xt is a great bow. At least the one I had my hands on was. I have heard a lot of bad talk about the strothers but just dont see it in there quality 

[Mxracer532]

I shoot a struthers SR-71 and I like it. It's a little heavy but I like it. I bought it before Kevin sold the company. I had a friend here in Walla Walla who worked for him and was an assembler and dealer. I'll move to a lighter bow in a few years but wit ha 27'' draw @65 pounds I get 300fps with a 390 grain arrow. It works for me.

We Kevin STROTHER shooters are few and far between not that he stopped producing some of the best bows $ could buy. I myself have shot Kevins bows for many years. Met him and Kate in the Toucannon and shot his prototype and knew I had to have one. It was right handed and I shot it left handed but still had to have one. Kevin is a super nice guy. Had a Synergy, GT500 and still have my SR-71 and its not going anywhere. Still there isnt the same bow that I have seen that spec for spec shoots with my SR-71 and is anywhere close to as dead in the hand and as silent.
29in draw 65lbs fully loaded IBO's at 342.6
I since have changed strings and as it sits IB0's at 338.6
If I remember right with a 388gn arrow its 319fps???

[gonehuntin68]

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