Leaving montec in the dust!!

[mountainman]

Wow! LOL!

[RadSav]

Wow! LOL!

   Well, you did say "please" didn't you?   

and as "rubbish" if you can disprove the above test, please do.

[mountainman]

I will stick to the "static" test. It proves itself with out needing a lot of big word gobbledygook to prove it! I would come  back with just as many big words and paragraphs, but that will probably just bore the reader, so will simply state, it you can sharpen a head, Montecs are proven performers, if not, stick with the replaceable a for sure. :-)

[blackveltbowhunter]

I apologize if I dont understand all the science  But when you guys refer to a "static" test what does that mean? And how is it done?

  MTman, The point of my post wasnt to bash Montec in any way. I agree with you they are a good head  It sounds like you have a sharpening process down that works well for you and gets you "shaving" sharp blades. I have tried flat stones, including g5's stone. And while there is a marked improvement. They are still below what I consider acceptable. The advice on the diamond stone and ceramic plate sounds like a great idea, and I will certainly be using it.

   My point in adressing the OP's question was that IMO the sharpest blades kill the best. Even you admit that an out of the box Montec does not meet your sharpness criteria. This to me is a problem. And why IMO theirs better heads out their. 

[JPhelps]

Sharp Blades = Easier Recovery

You can't notch a tag until you find the animal.  A razor sharp blade insures; you get the most blood out of the wound, the longest blood trail out of the wound and delays the natural ability of the wound to clot.

I love being able to practice with my slick tricks (or any other removable blade head) and replace the blades before I hit the woods,  guaranteeing the sharpest blades.  I even get nervous with removing and replacing my number one arrow too many times in the quiver foam.

[trophyhunt]

Shuttle t's are the best ive shot dropped a cow in her tracks once.

agreed.  Shuttle t's are awesome.   Montecs are my second favorite

Love the shuttle t's, I was always a bit concerned about how dull they are out of the package. There is a utube video on how to sharpen them, but I always figured they had a reason for there dullness. I think it's part of the damage they do, I called in a bull to a friend last year and he got a 15 yard shot on him. We couldn't believe the hole it made going in, the bull only went about 40 yards and died almost as soon as it hit the ground. I was sold on the dullness, it has to be part of the design. I won't be sharpening mine.

[wrongway]

Shuttle T all the way

[RadSav]

I apologize if I dont understand all the science  But when you guys refer to a "static" test what does that mean? And how is it done?

The most common static force test for archery arrowheads is done using a coffee can, a piece of leather and a bathroom scale.  You cover the open end of the coffee can with the leather then place the can, leather side up, on the bathroom scale.  You then press the arrowhead through the leather and watch the scale to see at what pound the broadhead breaks through the leather.

[RadSav]

I will stick to the "static" test. It proves itself with out needing a lot of big word gobbledygook to prove it!

OK, rubbish of static force science with small words, picture and no gobbledygook.

Static force test using tanned bear hide:

• Head "A" takes 7.5# to break thru hide
• Head "B" takes 18# to break thru hide

Results of static test = Head "A" better than Head "B"
Results of proven science, big words and gobbledygook = static test is "rubbish"

[mountainman]

So you essentially mean neither head is worth shooting??? :-) that's the same head that I've seen fail way too many times on the bottom.! Blades tend to bend and snap off when encountering bone. That's when sharpness has not much effect if you have that type of effect.

Oh, and if you really performed the test above, which I doubt, you should try a sharp Montec. Guarantee you would see a difference.

Keep trying my freind....
And have a nice weekend, me, I have an archery shoot to go put on at the Loup Loup ski hill this weekend. Hope to see many of you there!

[MessMaker]

I will just say that if you can get a broadhead to shoot straight then half the battle is won. Also there have probably been more animals killed with muzzy's than anything out there. I dont personally shoot them any more because I wanted to try something new. I have been shooting the QAD exodus blades and I think they are on par or above any of the high end broadhead manufacturers. Focus on shot placement more than the best broadhead.

[CoryTDF]

Holy crap it's gettin serious around here!!!

[RadSav]

 

You have a good weekend too 

[Battle Ready]

That's the problem with most bow shop owners and bow techs. Most of them are to busy to actually get out in woods. I know few that actually have not killed anything yet they are total geniuses about hunting equipment...lol..i bet we all know some of them.Their bias has everything to do with sales and margin %s. Radsav we have seen these conversations at least a million times, and in short they will shoot what they want for the result they want. Even a dog will swallow rocks from a creek in order to feel full..no matter the damages it causes to the dog. I will be just fine with others making some choices, because in the end, my results are always satisfactory.
 PS..I've always have wondered how a MIM product with no actual grain structure can become sharp enough to cut hairs on my arm...haha

[mountainman]

Get a chuckle over this whole conversation :chuckle:Didnt mean to get anyone so defensive, just stating a view, like it or not, no worries! and battleready, comments like that where you dont know the person you make those comments towards, well, chuckling again

Bottom line, many heads out there have proven track records, a few do not..We should all stick to what we have faith in and have proven themselves with steaks in the freezer.