E-15 gasoline and potential engine damage

[Elkaholic daWg]

Just talked to Nelson Petroleum and they are currently working on installing a storage tank and pump for ethanol free fuel at their Arlington location. 

 That's great....THIS isn't


Today, virtually every gallon of gas sold in the U.S. contains 10 percent ethanol, meaning that higher blends of ethanol are needed to continue to reduce our dependence on foreign oil through biofuels.


 Thank god she knows not of which she speaks!    Although that is obviously the way she wants it!!
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Thank you for contacting me about the Renewable Fuel Standard Elimination Act.  I appreciate hearing from you, and sincerely regret the delayed response.

 

As you may know, Representative Rob Goodlatte (R-VA) introduced the Renewable Fuel Standard Elimination Act (H.R. 1461) on April 10, 2013.  If enacted, this legislation would amend the Clean Air Act to repeal the Environmental Protection Agency's renewable fuel program.  This legislation has been referred to the House Subcommittee on Energy and Power where it is currently awaiting further review. 

 

Today, virtually every gallon of gas sold in the U.S. contains 10 percent ethanol, meaning that higher blends of ethanol are needed to continue to reduce our dependence on foreign oil through biofuels.  In January 2011 the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced its decision to allow up to 15 percent ethanol (E15) gasoline blends for use in vehicles made after 2001.  The EPA does not require any station to sell E15, but if a station chooses to sell both E10 and E15 blends, the EPA requires that either a pump be dedicated specifically for E15 or at least four gallons of gasoline must be sold from any pump that dispenses both E10 and E15.  The latter option is meant to ensure a sufficient dilution of any residual ethanol in the hose to prevent damage to smaller engines not designed to run on ethanol blends higher than E10.  The EPA also requires clear labeling of pumps that dispense E15 to inform consumers, and E15 is not permitted for vehicles built before 2001 or for off-road vehicles, including motorcycles.

 

As you may know, the production of biofuels in the U.S., primarily ethanol and biodiesel, has grown rapidly since the establishment of the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) in the Energy Policy Act of 2005.  While ethanol derived from cornstarch has dominated U.S. biofuels production since its development in the late 1970s, in December 2007 I helped secure language in the Energy Independence and Security Act (P. L. 110-140) that caps the amount of ethanol derived from corn that could be used to meet the RFS.  That means that over time, the percentage of ethanol produced from cornstarch or other food commodities is set to decline, and domestic biofuels derived from non-food sources will be used to replace foreign petroleum products. 

 

I support alternative fuels that can help address climate change, rising prices at the pump, and our dangerous over dependence on foreign oil, and I believe the U.S. can make the transition to cleaner energy without suffering negative side effects.  Biofuels made from non-food feedstocks are a particularly promising petroleum alternative and new research advances technology breakthroughs and infrastructure investments are likely to produce cost-effective petroleum alternatives from a range of domestic resources such as wood and agriculture waste, algae, and even municipal solid waste.  I believe that Washington state can lead the nation in using sources other than corn to produce alternative fuels without raising food prices.  Our state is already leading the nation in the production of biodiesel and is a world leader in developing biomass-based alternatives for jet fuel.

 

I believe one of the best ways to foster competition and provide consumers real choice at the pump is to create an open fuel standard.  On September 22, 2011, I introduced the Open Fuel Standard Act (S.1603) with Senator Dick Lugar (R-IN) that would break oil's monopoly over the U.S. transportation fuel industry by ensuring that most new vehicles in the United States are capable of running on a range of domestically produced alternative fuels starting in 2015.  While that bill unfortunately did not pass the Senate during the 112th Congress, please be assured that I will continue to support clean, innovative solutions to our nation's energy needs and to push measures to reduce our dangerous dependence on foreign oil and provide competition at the gas pump.

 


Sincerely, 
Maria Cantwell
United States Senator


 While Grandstanding (her website speech) in DC "DEMANDING" to know why fuel costs so much in the west ......DUH!!!!
 I'm sure her 10% adds much more than 10% to the price!!

[DoubleJ]

I'm not educated enough to know for sure but, I can guess that when I get 15mpg on E10 and get 21mpg on E0, that the density of pollutants in the air per cylinder fire is greater with E0 but, with less cylinder fires needed to go where I am driving, I'm actually putting less total pollutants in the air.

[DoubleJ]

Not that I expect anything from it but, I just emailed this to all of my legislators:

I hear you're working on things having to do with fuel prices and I'd like to add my input.  I drive a 2005 Kia Sedona.  When I put E10 in my tank, I average 15mpg, right in line with the fuel rating for my van.  When I put E0 in my tank, I average 21mpg.

I am no scientist and have no access to one but, in your position, I'm sure you do.  I ask that you use your resources to conduct a study of the one vs. one on pollutants in the air from E10 vs. E0 with total miles driven instead of all the studies I've seen which are basically total pollutants per cylinder fire.  Like I said, I'm no scientist but, I have to figure that while I put more pollutants into the air per individual cylinder fire with E0 than I do with E10, when I need dramatically less total cylinder fires to get where I'm going, I'm putting less total pollutants in the air with E0 than I do with E10.

As far as price goes, I pay $0.10 more for E0 but, looking at the math, it's a good thing.  My gas tank is 20 gallons.  Using a $4/gal average for E10, it costs me $80 to fill my tank.  For my $80 at my 15mpg E10 average, I get to drive 300 miles or 3.75 miles per dollar.

When I fill my tank with E0 at a price of $4.10/gal, for a total cost of $82.  For my $82 at my E0 average of 21mpg, I get to drive 420 miles or 5.1 miles per dollar.

Economically and environmentally, for my family E0 makes sense.  Add in the damage that ethanol does to engines and the potential repair cost and the cost per gallon of E10 goes up even more.  While I would like all stations to go to E0 only, even at an increased cost, I would just be happy to continue to have the option to buy E0 if I choose instead of being forced to buy only E10 or even E15 as is being lobbied around.  Part of America is freedom of choice.  That's all I'm asking for.  Please don't do anything that would take away my freedom to choose what I put in my gas tank.

[jeepasaurusrex]

In the conversation I had with the guy from Nelson Petroleum this morning, he said that there is actually a high demand for E0 fuel, due mostly because the warranty will be voided on new outboard boat motors if you run fuel with ethanol in it. He said the fuel they will sell will be direct from the refinery, and will contain no ethanol.

I had to replace the fuel lines last summer on my weed eater due to them being ate up by ethanol. I simply refuse to run corn squeezin in my Jeep.

There needs to be a class action law suit against the EPA to make sure that E0 is available to those with small engines, etc. Either that, or they need to start paying for repairs caused by it.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Smarter Fuel Future SMARTERFUELFUTURE.ORG 
 
 
Dear James,

The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) includes a variety of damaging and perplexing elements that prove it can't work in its current form.

One perfect example of RFS absurdity is the use of Renewable Identification Numbers, or RINs.

RINs are credits that represent each gallon of ethanol produced or imported into the United States and blended into the fuel supply. These credits must be purchased by fuel refiners to prove RFS-designated amounts of ethanol have been blended into gasoline and diesel.

But when the RFS mandates using more ethanol than can safely be blended into the fuel supply, refiners are required to hand in more RINs to meet the mandate than will actually be available. As RINs become scarce, their cost skyrockets. The RINs scarcity may also force refiners to reduce domestic supply and could lead to higher consumer fuel costs.

Watch the video below to learn more about RINs. Simply put-it's RIN-sanity.
Smarter Fuel Future SMARTERFUELFUTURE.ORG 


Smarter Fuel Future SMARTERFUELFUTURE.ORG 
 
 

 Can't get the video link to transfer to here....sorry
 
 

 

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Not like he cares but.......

 
  Dear James,

You sent a letter to Congress telling them to repeal the RFS. Repealing a law can take time, but the President can take action to fix the problem today. Send your letter to the President, asking him to fix this unworkable standard.

BUTTON TEXT!

Tell the President to fix the RFS!

http://energycitizens.org/ec/advocacy/citizenactioncenter.aspx

The impact of hitting the blendwall will affect American families and businesses in many ways, including:

The ethanol levels that the mandate calls for are incompatible for nearly 95 percent of the vehicles on the road today
Greater volumes of ethanol reduce fuel economy
A potential increase in the cost of gasoline by 30 percent
As Energy Citizens, it's up to us to speak out against the Renewable Fuel Standard. The Obama Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency have the power to avoid these consequences.

Our message needs to be loud and clear: Fix the Renewable Fuel Standard now!

Please take action on this issue today. Click here to send a letter to President Obama!

Sincerely,

The Energy Citizens Team
 
 
 
 

[NoBark]

Is there any kind of additives that help overcome the disadvantages of the ethanol?

[Special T]

Yest there are several. Stabil makes some.

[Jingles]

Anyone coming to the Methow Valley only place to purchase E free gas is at the Carlton Store. Also only place to buy NON bio diesel

[Elkaholic daWg]

All ethanol is bad.  ALL OF IT.  Drive ethanol free

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA

You pay a little more but your mileage goes up, balancing it out.

 Reminder of where to get E-0 around the state and take care of our saws, generators, quads, and other tools...............

[Elkaholic daWg]

The RFS Hurts Every Consumer
The Renewable Fuel Standard increases food and fuel costs, harms the engines of boats, motorcycles and automobiles. Tell Congress you want to repeal the RFS and to stop playing politics with your fuel!

Tell Congress to Repeal the RFS
Congress has failed to act on the RFS and plans to “kick the can” down the road for another two years, which could have serious repercussions on the economy. Act now and tell Congress to repeal the mandate.


http://energycitizens.org/join/composeletters.aspx?recruitment=RFS4&multiplealerts=False&utm_campaign=RFS&utm_source=PL%20-%20Contract&utm_medium=CPA&utm_content=&utm_term=&DDCA_RegSource=&DDCA_Medium=&DDCA_CampaignAd=&DDCA_AdUnit=&DDCA_Term=

[Elkaholic daWg]

All ethanol is bad.  ALL OF IT.  Drive ethanol free

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA

You pay a little more but your mileage goes up, balancing it out.

 A bump For the new, recent members who may not know

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,143789.0.html

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Look what I found today Washington HB 2091.......Kind of like how the white House congress and their staffers are exempt from obummercare...... They know better than us, but aren't held to the same rules   

HOUSE BILL 2091
_____________________________________________
State of Washington 63rd Legislature 2014 Regular Session
By Representatives Overstreet, Shea, Taylor, Scott, and Condotta
Prefiled 12/02/13.
1 AN ACT Relating to granting exemptions from state biofuel and
2 biodiesel requirements; and amending RCW 43.19.642 and 43.19.648.



12 (5) ((During the 2011-2013 and 2013-2015 fiscal biennia, the
13 Washington state ferries is required to use a minimum of five percent
14 biodiesel as compared to total volume of all diesel purchases made by
15 the Washington state ferries for the operation of the Washington state
16 ferries diesel-powered vessels, as long as the price of a B5 biodiesel
17 blend does not exceed the price of conventional diesel fuel by five
18 percent or more.)) Beginning July 1, 2014, the department of
19 transportation and the Washington state patrol are exempt from the
20 biodiesel requirements under this section.

[Knocker of rocks]

Look what I found today Washington HB 2091.......Kind of like how the white House congress and their staffers are exempt from obummercare...... They know better than us, but aren't held to the same rules   

HOUSE BILL 2091
_____________________________________________
State of Washington 63rd Legislature 2014 Regular Session
By Representatives Overstreet, Shea, Taylor, Scott, and Condotta
Prefiled 12/02/13.
1 AN ACT Relating to granting exemptions from state biofuel and
2 biodiesel requirements; and amending RCW 43.19.642 and 43.19.648.



12 (5) ((During the 2011-2013 and 2013-2015 fiscal biennia, the
13 Washington state ferries is required to use a minimum of five percent
14 biodiesel as compared to total volume of all diesel purchases made by
15 the Washington state ferries for the operation of the Washington state
16 ferries diesel-powered vessels, as long as the price of a B5 biodiesel
17 blend does not exceed the price of conventional diesel fuel by five
18 percent or more.)) Beginning July 1, 2014, the department of
19 transportation and the Washington state patrol are exempt from the
20 biodiesel requirements under this section.

So you're against saving  us money?

[snowpack]

Does every one else have the option to run a different fuel when the price differential meets a certain threshold?