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Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« on: September 09, 2013, 08:09:47 PM »
I decided to buy a 4.5x14 Nikon scope last week with the "spot-on technology" that you go to their website, input information, and displays the yardage. Current users, do u like it or not?

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2013, 08:13:51 PM »
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2013, 08:15:46 PM »
I like mine a lot.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2013, 09:55:21 PM »
they work , just remember power change changes all the yardages

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2013, 11:07:30 PM »
Have several Nikon Monarchs with it on rifles as well as a couple on my son's.   :tup:
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2013, 09:45:54 AM »
First off, I do some work free lance work for Nikon, second I have been using their scopes for 18 years by choice. I have had great success using Nikon's Spot On Ballistic Program. Harvested a deer last year at 486 yards only because of the BDC reticle. If you take a good look at all the features Spot On has to offer, you can see how the distances change when you change magnification settings. You can print distances for the BDC reticle through all the magnification settings on your scope. It's not just for those who have the BDC reticle either. You can enter your shooting info and click optimize load, after entering the vital area of the animal you are hunting and get the optimized zero for that cal.
One of my favorite features is that I can shoot a 50 yard target and it will tell me where I need to impact for whatever zero I choose.
Here's a sample to check out.
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2013, 11:30:55 AM »
It's an ok scope. I have one on a 6.8 SPC.  It  works as advertized, but I will only use them to 500ish yards...

Keep in mind that many things change your bullets trajectory...Altitude, Tempreature and Wind....and as this is a SFP optic, as previously stated, the BDC reticle yardage changes with magnification.

so, you will need to have some electronic device with the Nikon Spot On software and also know your station conditions in order to get the correct firing solution if you want to go past 500 yards...

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2013, 01:08:37 PM »
 :yeah: there are far to many variables to use these single condition compensators (spot on, custom
Dials, etc.) I agree with the 500 yard limit. But for anything much farther you need more detail and a means to read conditions and calculate real time. I personally think that the custom dials are a better option tban ballistic reticals for work to 500 yards because the reticals don't give a very tight aiming point for mei like to aim exactly wjere I want to aim between circles or dots.

Hands down the most effective way is with a ballistic calculator that accoundlts for wealther and angle etc and turn dials.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 01:32:24 PM »
Bull, I don't know if you have checked out Spot On recently, we are constantly updating and making changes to increase accuracy. Right now you can enter atmospheric conditions,elevation and angle of shooting. I can't say that I have ever shot far enough that anything other then wind has impacted my shots, but we are trying to make folks understand all the variable that do come into play when shooting long range. Thank for the reply.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2013, 01:39:47 PM »
I worked this range card up for my 270....

as you can see, not much changes untill after 500 yards...nice thing, all I need is an altimiter and a thermometer... Scope is Mil Mil and FFP, so I can range with it...or use my leupy rangefinder (to 700 yards)


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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2013, 04:28:43 PM »
Nice ! I can't say enough good things about having a solid rangefinder. Makes the difference between filling the freezer and going to the store.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2013, 08:37:52 PM »
Thanks Bman940 for the invite 2 answer questions as I am sure I will have some. Target Shooting this weekend so I will let u know how it goes. There r some factory loads that do not show up on the spot-on website. Are new loads being added 2 the list or not?  Thanks 2 everyone for the advice.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2013, 09:05:24 PM »
If you come across a factory load that isn't on the list pass it on to me and I'll get it to the right person. We have added over 100 additional loads this year alone and of course for handloaders, we have a section for you as well.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2013, 05:57:38 PM »
Bman940, I purchased a Prostaff 5 scope but I was at Cabelas last weekend and saw the Monarch 3 scope and really liked it. What is the main difference between the Prostaff and monarch scopes?

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2013, 06:01:42 PM »
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2013, 06:37:20 PM »
Bull, I don't know if you have checked out Spot On recently, we are constantly updating and making changes to increase accuracy. Right now you can enter atmospheric conditions,elevation and angle of shooting. I can't say that I have ever shot far enough that anything other then wind has impacted my shots, but we are trying to make folks understand all the variable that do come into play when shooting long range. Thank for the reply.

I haven't looked at spot on in a while, as I don't have a Nikon scope. but I am glad you are trying to educate on all the variables affecting the shot. I agree to 500 yards or so there isn't much affect but after that baro pressure and temp can play a substantial role, as well as shooting angle. I think if a shooter realizes the limitations of a certain set of conditions and plans accordingly it can be a great tool for increasing range to 500 or so. I will still just use my weather station, rangefinder, angle finder, and ballistic calculator to get my solution (because I have confirmed in many conditions at many ranges and shooting angle.

I do not believe the hype about custom dials or range cards tho...  :twocents:

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2013, 08:32:38 PM »
Thanks Bull, as we all know, pulling the trigger is the easiest part of shooting. Knowing what the bullet does after it leaves the barrel is what accuracy is all about.
I don't say that Spot On is the be all end all shooting site but it does have some excellent information.

Fish, There are some big differences between the PROSTAFF 5 and MONARCH 3 scope. The biggest is the Ultra Clear Coat on all glass surfaces with the MONARCH 3, 1 piece body and redesigned spring loaded turrets that were also added to the PROSTAFF 5. It is all backed by Nikon's Full Lifetime warranty too.

I recently had the opportunity to shoot the MONARCH 3 at 500 yards and went 10 for 10. This was one of those days where the rifle and scope made me a way better shooter then I really am. By the way, I was using a BDC reticle scope. A 200 yard zero let me use the 4th BDC circle to make quick and accurate shots.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2013, 08:56:53 PM »
Thanks Bman, looks like I will make a trip 2 cabelas and see if I can upgrade 2 a Monarch scope. They r currently on sale. thanks 4 ur help.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2013, 09:04:48 PM »
You are most welcome. I think all the PROSTAFF scopes are still on sale as well. A nice pre-hunting season promotion from Authorized Nikon Dealers. Who doesn't want to save some $ ?

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2013, 08:23:26 PM »
bman.............quick question.  What is the main difference(s) between the Nikon Monarch and the newer Nikon Monarch 3?
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2013, 10:21:46 AM »
W., The MONARCH 3 has newest spring loaded turret design. It still has all of the great MONARCH features and glass. Nikon is trying to make it easier for folks to know what series they are buying that is why you are seeing the designation's 3,5 and 7 associated with the PROSTAFF and MONARCH lines of optics.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2013, 11:35:31 AM »
W., The MONARCH 3 has newest spring loaded turret design. It still has all of the great MONARCH features and glass. Nikon is trying to make it easier for folks to know what series they are buying that is why you are seeing the designation's 3,5 and 7 associated with the PROSTAFF and MONARCH lines of optics.

Thanks.  I see the new Monarchs listed as 3, but don't see the 5 or 7 designation anywhere on the Nikon site....what are they?
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2013, 12:30:32 PM »
Great things come to those who wait.....There are MONARCH 5 and 7 lines in the bino series right now.  We'll probably see something more advanced with the MONARCH scopes very soon.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2013, 02:44:03 PM »
Bman, switched my Prostaff to a Monarch 3 4x16 and went shooting yesterday. Really like the scope and shot well. My question is the adjustable side focus. If my target is 400 yards, then I would unlock and move the dial to 400 which focus the target, then lock the ring - Is that correct?

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2013, 02:50:23 PM »
Corret, pull it out, dial to 400 and push it back in to lock it. Also use the fine focus around the eye piece if needed.
I usually leave parallax at 100 yards until I need to change it.

Here's a def. of parallax I pulled from the web in case anyone is interested.


Parallax
Parallax is essentially an optical illusion.  Parallax presents itself as the apparent movement of the reticle, in relation to the target, when your eye moves off center of the sight picture (exit pupil) or in more extreme cases it appears as an out of focus image. It indicates that the scope is either out of focus or more specifically the image of the target is not occurring on the same focal plane as the reticle. Maximum parallax occurs when your eye is at the very edge of the sight picture (exit pupil). Even when parallax is adjusted for a designated distance, there is an inadvertent error at other distances.  Most brands of scopes that do not have a parallax adjustment are pre-set at the factory to be parallax free at or around 100 yards; rim fire and shotgun scopes are set at or around 50 yards.  Most scopes of 11x or more have a parallax adjustment because parallax worsens at higher magnifications.  Generally speaking parallax adjustment is not required for hunting situations and is primarily a feature used and desired by target shooters.  A 4x hunting scope focused for 150 yards has a maximum error of only 8/10ths of an inch at 500 yards.  At short distances, the parallax effect does not affect accuracy. Using the same 4x scope at 100 yards, the maximum error is less than 2/10ths of an inch. It is also good to remember that, as long you are sighting straight through the middle of the scope, or close to it, parallax will have virtually no effect on accuracy in a hunting situation.

This is another way to think of it that maybe you can relate to.  You know when you are sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle its hard to look at the speedometer and tell how fast you are going because your eye....the needle....and the mph number are not all three lined up.  So to you it looks like your going 35 when really you are going 55.  But the person behind the steering wheel has his eye..the needle and the mph all lined up straight in the same focal plane and gets a true reading.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2013, 09:52:01 PM »
I like the spot on system, like most people said, to a certain point. It's nice if you dont want to be messing with mil-dots in the field. Really like it on the monarch's

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2013, 07:59:28 PM »
What is an eye-opener for me is that using the Spot on website, I didn't know how much wind effects the bullet as it travels. At 400 yards with a crosswind, the bullet will move over 3 feet!  No wonder I missed so many mule deer when I was younger !!

Thanks bman on the great info. on parallax. Well done.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2013, 07:19:19 AM »
Fish, Happy to help. Yup, wind can be tough, especially when coyote hunting using 55gr. bullets. Spot On has a huge amount of info that can be pulled from it. You can add altitude,temp, wind, incline/decline, handloads, all in the name of increasing your accuracy. It is definitely not just for BDC reticle users either. I have the apps on my ipad/iphone at least one of which goes with me to the range or field every time.  Definitely worth checking out, even if you are not a Nikon user. On line version is free to use.

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2013, 08:54:13 AM »
Have the same app on my phone. :tup:
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2013, 03:35:07 PM »
Corret, pull it out, dial to 400 and push it back in to lock it. Also use the fine focus around the eye piece if needed.
I usually leave parallax at 100 yards until I need to change it.

Here's a def. of parallax I pulled from the web in case anyone is interested.


Parallax
Parallax is essentially an optical illusion.  Parallax presents itself as the apparent movement of the reticle, in relation to the target, when your eye moves off center of the sight picture (exit pupil) or in more extreme cases it appears as an out of focus image. It indicates that the scope is either out of focus or more specifically the image of the target is not occurring on the same focal plane as the reticle. Maximum parallax occurs when your eye is at the very edge of the sight picture (exit pupil). Even when parallax is adjusted for a designated distance, there is an inadvertent error at other distances.  Most brands of scopes that do not have a parallax adjustment are pre-set at the factory to be parallax free at or around 100 yards; rim fire and shotgun scopes are set at or around 50 yards.  Most scopes of 11x or more have a parallax adjustment because parallax worsens at higher magnifications.  Generally speaking parallax adjustment is not required for hunting situations and is primarily a feature used and desired by target shooters.  A 4x hunting scope focused for 150 yards has a maximum error of only 8/10ths of an inch at 500 yards.  At short distances, the parallax effect does not affect accuracy. Using the same 4x scope at 100 yards, the maximum error is less than 2/10ths of an inch. It is also good to remember that, as long you are sighting straight through the middle of the scope, or close to it, parallax will have virtually no effect on accuracy in a hunting situation.

This is another way to think of it that maybe you can relate to.  You know when you are sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle its hard to look at the speedometer and tell how fast you are going because your eye....the needle....and the mph number are not all three lined up.  So to you it looks like your going 35 when really you are going 55.  But the person behind the steering wheel has his eye..the needle and the mph all lined up straight in the same focal plane and gets a true reading.

Just beware that the "yardage" marking on the paralax adjustment is not always correct.

To get it really dialed....

-Adjust the reticle focus to your eye and lock it down.
-Adjust the Paralax (also doubles as a side focus) untill the image comes into focus.
-Once the image is in focus, move your head side to side or up and down to see if the crosshairs move with respect to the target. If they do not move, you have the correct paralax adjustment. If the crosshairs move, adjust the paralax untill there is no more movement

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2013, 03:38:37 AM »
Bman, have a question. I'm a Nikon camera user and have two Nikon scope's. Both Buckmaster's. 3-9x with duplex cross wires ans 4.5-14x with BDC. I got the 4.5-14x with BDC because it was the last one they had, Bi Mart. I don't like the BDC at all but figured I could send it to Nikon and they would change it for me, was willing to pay for it. Got them on the phone and they won't do it! They told me to take it back to where I bought it and exchange it. Both scope's work fine and both have clear lenses. The adjustment's on the 4.5-14x are very accurate but I detest that BDC reticule! How come Nikon won't change things like that for customer's? My only complaint with Nikon.
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2013, 09:20:38 AM »
Don, Nikon does not swap out reticles on their scopes. I have heard of companies doing it ont heir high end ( $1800 and up) lines, but Nikon has never done that.
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Sorry I can't be more helpful to you . Have you checked out Spot On, Don? It really is a useful tool for long range shooting. I know a lot of guys can't wrap their head around the BDC reticle, just not the way they learned how to shoot, heck, I was one of those guys until I tried it out.
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2013, 10:18:23 AM »
A heads up....great deal on a certain Nikon Monarch right now at Cabelas online.  Older model...not the Monarch 3, but smoking price.  I just bought another to put on a rifle I was going to put a Leupold I have on it, but decided to add another Nikon to the herd.  Between the son and I we have 8 of these Monachs in various variables (3x12, 4x16) with the BDC.  Great scopes. :tup:

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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2013, 08:33:33 PM »
Nice yo see you guy's looking out for each other. We all like to save $ and unfortunately if I made a suggestion about where to buy something someone else wouldn't like it. I will try to let you guys know about Nikon's Promotions.
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2013, 08:55:35 PM »
Nice rifle bman :tup:
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2013, 09:38:17 PM »
Just bought another rifle today.  Dang...now I have to get another Nikon and the one I bought on sale went back up $30...which is still a good price. :tup:
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2013, 08:02:26 AM »
For anybody looking, an Ebay seller "foxoptics" has the new Monarch 3 4-16x42SF for sale $346 shipped.  I received mine last week and absolutely love it. 
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2013, 02:35:00 PM »
For anybody looking, an Ebay seller "foxoptics" has the new Monarch 3 4-16x42SF for sale $346 shipped.  I received mine last week and absolutely love it.

Thanks........
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Re: Nikon spot-on scopes - like it or not?
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2013, 07:21:55 PM »
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